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Old 06-15-2015, 11:43 AM   #1
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Here's a question that I didn't bother searching for if it was already asked.

I was recently asked by a GC which I did a small stone job for, To lie to the HO as to what I charged the GC for my service.

This happens every once in a while.

I will ALWAYS stay out of harms way and totally ignore the HO.

So what this bastard(HO) did was have his cousin call me direct to bid a larger but simular job on the otherside of town.

I didnt know his relations with the other guy.

so. now the GC calls me asking to pump up my invoice 75%.

hell no.

I got paid now the gc is without his money and wants me to lie.

f
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Old 06-15-2015, 11:52 AM   #2
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What's your question?

It sounds like the GC doesn't know how to write a contract.

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What's your question?

It sounds like the GC doesn't know how to write a contract.
Sounds like the stone guy works too cheap.
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Here's a question that I didn't bother searching for if it was already asked.

I was recently asked by a GC which I did a small stone job for, To lie to the HO as to what I charged the GC for my service.

This happens every once in a while.

I will ALWAYS stay out of harms way and totally ignore the HO.

So what this bastard(HO) did was have his cousin call me direct to bid a larger but simular job on the otherside of town.

I didnt know his relations with the other guy.

so. now the GC calls me asking to pump up my invoice 75%.

hell no.

I got paid now the gc is without his money and wants me to lie.

f
uk him
Tell him you will do that for another 50%
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Old 06-15-2015, 04:47 PM   #5
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I think if he wanted you to fudge the numbers by a few hundred dollars that would be fibbing. 75% is just flat out lying.
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Old 06-15-2015, 04:54 PM   #6
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What if it was a $200 job?
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Old 06-15-2015, 05:04 PM   #7
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What if it was a $200 job?

Huh, I guess I just assumed it was a big job.

In any case, no fibbing, no lying, the price is the price.

Edit: re-read it and he even says it's a small job.

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I won't lie to the HO for the GC, but I also tell the HO "It's nunya".

Nunya damn bidness what I charged him (or her). It's confidential between me and him and you have no right or expectation for me to reveal confidential information to you. It doesn't happen often, but when it does that's the only answer they get. Period. End of discussion.
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Old 06-15-2015, 05:46 PM   #9
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Small job for a GC vs large job for a HO. Its apples and oranges, definitely not comparable. Let the GC take the heat.
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So, did you get the job with the cousin across town?

I don't talk money with Home Owner when I am a subcontractor, but I won't lie for GC's.

I'd be pissed that the GC put me in the position you are in. How to proceed....I don't know.
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EXACTLY what TGEB said
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I don't talk money with Home Owner when I am a subcontractor, but I won't lie for GC's.

I'd be pissed that the GC put me in the position you are in. How to proceed....I don't know.
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. How to proceed....I don't know.
I know how. Finish the job, get your cheque and lose the GC's number
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What's your question?

It sounds like the GC doesn't know how to write a contract.
i was just asking if this crap happens to others.
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I'm a GC, new to the hiring subs business.

If I was a hired sub, I believe I would provide the GC with a better price "partly" because I don't have to deal with the typical HO's bs. I just have to show up, do the work, get paid, go home. If I now have to deal with the homeowner, why deal with the GC at all? I could've just worked for the HO in the first place at a higher rate.

When I do hire subs, I could easily justify any mark up I put on the subs price. If the HO wants to deal with all of the chit I deal with and schedule everything accordingly, have at it. It would save me a lot of sleepless nights worrying about this or that. And I'm super small and just starting. Maybe it gets easier with more experience. But coordinating everyone and their individual schedules isn't easy. IMO.
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I wouldn't fib or change the invoice. The HO should understand that when you hire someone you mark up his fee. It's business. The HO didn't hire you directly so your fee is none of his business.

I'd stay away from both of those guys, it's a case of two like minded individuals meeting each other.
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I've worked with a GC that operates this way. I am assuming that he is asking you to say that you are charging him MORE than what you really are. If I was knee deep in the situation, I'd tell the lie just to bail the guy out of this situation but after that, I could no longer do business with him. I would make it clear to the GC that I don't do the other guy's "dirty work" and/or play the role of the bad guy.

Usually guys like that want the GC money but they don't want the GC responsibility. They really want someone to handle their difficult situations while they hide in the shadows. If the deal turns out OK, they emerge from the shadows to get their cut. But if the deal turns out bad, they can conveniently deny any liability and throw you under the bus if they need to. They'll quickly switch sides on you and say, "I've had nothing but problems out of Bruno when it comes to pricing and money! I was a fool to ever deal with that guy."

And I've told GC's that I will not be their "lie-guy". If they want me to lie on their behalf just this one time, I'll do it but I'll never do another job for them again.
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The whole situation is messed up. First, why would you even discuss with the home owner what you are charging the GC? That was your first mistake. Should have just told the GC that you don't get involved with that stuff.

Is this a GC that you do a ton of work for? Is the job done? Did you get paid? I would get paid and then move on and let the GC deal with his crap he created.
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I wouldn't fib or change the invoice. The HO should understand that when you hire someone you mark up his fee. It's business. The HO didn't hire you directly so your fee is none of his business.

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H/Os aren't stupid ! They know this. The biggest problem with most [ not all] H/Os trying to play G/C is they look at all the subs/trades as being equals in quality . They have It in their narrow little heads that the only difference from one sub to the next is price. Which as we all know that's not the case.

I Can't tell you how many times I've priced a home for H/Os That I didn't get. Then have them call me back a few months later asking...Could you just come look at It !!! We really need some advice on how to make this right !! My response ?? Why are you calling me!!

Most don't care or even know about quality until after the fact.
It's not just H/Os . I've seen G/Cs play the same game. But not as often.

I looked at a home for an H/O last week . The framer gave her my name..He's given me lots of work in the past . When I called her back and gave her a price ,,She said thanks . CLICK!! I ain't gettin that one!
So I wrote her # down in my pad ..Next to her # her name .CLICK!

I've even had H/Os call my G/Cs asking what I charge them .. It didn't do them any good though !! But that's just how stupid some people are.. Don't get me wrong tho...I've work for more understanding home owners that were a joy and fun to work for than not. I'd say It's that 40% that just don't get It.

I should add...I'm a Drywall Contractor that subs out most of my hanging . And finishes out the homes myself. solo. Where some of my competitors sub out both ! Paying their hanging and finishing subs half of what they should be getting IMO.. I pay my hanging crew as much as [I] can get . And they know this. Also I don't supply materials where as most of my competitors do. So with the mark up on materials and the low labor cost they can cut my labor only price a good bit . This is not something I would or have ever explained to a potential client
I Just roll with the punches and keep on trucking.
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The whole situation is messed up. First, why would you even discuss with the home owner what you are charging the GC? That was your first mistake. Should have just told the GC that you don't get involved with that stuff.

Is this a GC that you do a ton of work for? Is the job done? Did you get paid? I would get paid and then move on and let the GC deal with his crap he created.
I talk money ONLY with that who hires me. 1

I have been paid in full. 2

I was just asking if this chit only happens to me. 3

and 4. I never lye if their is nothing financially to gain.

in other words, I the GC offered me lets say on a 10g job 1 g to over bill him 5g, I just might be in.

but for free he can kiss my big azz between the cheeks, after i didnt cleaned myself

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