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Old 01-20-2013, 06:43 PM   #1
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When you guys are doing bids and need a sub to do some work like electrical plumbing painting how do you figure that into the original quote?

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Ask them how much it is & add it in...

Seems like you are trying to ask something different?

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No. That pretty much answers my question. I'm bidding a bath Reno and I need to bring subs in on it. I guess my question is do the subs need to look at the job? I'm not asking a pricing question.
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No. That pretty much answers my question. I'm bidding a bath Reno and I need to bring subs in on it. I guess my question is do the subs need to look at the job? I'm not asking a pricing question.
What happens if you figure $500 and the plumber tells you $750?
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Either pay up or find a cheaper plumber..
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No. That pretty much answers my question. I'm bidding a bath Reno and I need to bring subs in on it. I guess my question is do the subs need to look at the job? I'm not asking a pricing question.
I would recommend your sub(s) looking at the job just so there are no surprises. You need to be there also to clearly define/explain the scope. With pre-bid on site meetings takes the guess work & and any confusion out of it.
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Pretty basic question. Get their bid and place your markup on it.
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For something as small as a bath reno I can usually just snap some pictures and send a plan to my plumber. If he's doing more than moving things a few inches I'll have him come along. Any errors come out of my pocket so I'm happy to have him drive out.
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I have a carpenter I do tile for. Back when we started trading work he would put in the bid then tell me my price didn't fit his budget. I told him to have me price out the tile before giving the client a final bid.

It's been working smoothly ever since.
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What griz said.

Now days with all the tire kickers, I use a unit pricing sheet provided by my subs to do a ball park. If its within expectations of the potential client I bring in the subs. Not trying to waste a bunch of subs time, I bid atleast a dozen and half decent projects that were way more than expected from the client, last year. That would compute to a lot of wasted man hours for the subs.

I wouldnt attempt that if you dont have a lot of historical data or a price sheet from your subs, and a lot of experience seeing the unforseen
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What griz said.

Now days with all the tire kickers, I use a unit pricing sheet provided by my subs to do a ball park. If its within expectations of the potential client I bring in the subs. Not trying to waste a bunch of subs time, I bid atleast a dozen and half decent projects that were way more than expected from the client, last year. That would compute to a lot of wasted man hours for the subs.

I wouldnt attempt that if you dont have a lot of historical data or a price sheet from your subs, and a lot of experience seeing the unforseen
Thats so true. Its such a waste to bring subs onto potential jobs and you never get the job.

For smaller jobs like a bathroom, taking pictures of the job and sending them off to subs and telling then what you want could work. As long as your clear.
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Never getting the job and just wasting your subs time all the time could actually damage your relationship.
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Never getting the job and just wasting your subs time all the time could actually damage your relationship.
Without a doubt.

I have a large job that i had to bring my electrician in to give me a quote. I 100% had the job already..

I told him the job was to start the 2nd week of january.. the designer changed the job around so much its probly not starting till mid febuary Now.

He already called me twice asking whats going on. He probably thinks the job fell through. After getting a delivery date from my supplier i have to give him a call tommorow to tell him the start date..
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Never getting the job and just wasting your subs time all the time could actually damage your relationship.
In my post about meeting with subs I was referring to larger jobs that require many trades & coordination.

For small jobs, after you have been at this for awhile & have subs you have experience with, I can come up with a number for bid purposes.
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Slightly off topic but....

When you don't get a job that you had a sub bid on....tell them you didn't get the job.
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In my post about meeting with subs I was referring to larger jobs that require many trades & coordination.

For small jobs, after you have been at this for awhile & have subs you have experience with, I can come up with a number for bid purposes.
Yeah, I figured that.

On a custom home or mid six figure remodel, I dont have a problem "estimating" my foundation, framing, roof, cabinet , painter or floor subs (if we sub those items) for a ball park. Not a bid.

A new custom I can have pretty good idea on EMPs, but have been suprised before for sure. A remodel? All bets are off, wont even guesstimate EMPs.
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When you don't get a job that you had a sub bid on....tell them you didn't get the job.


Absolutely. I would imagine everyone does though. Communication, positive or negative is imperative in business
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Being newer at it y'all's responses were what I was looking for. I'll contact the guys that I'm planning to use and see how they prefer. I sure as hell don't wanna waste my time let alone someone else's.
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In my post about meeting with subs I was referring to larger jobs that require many trades & coordination.

For small jobs, after you have been at this for awhile & have subs you have experience with, I can come up with a number for bid purposes.

But then your screweddd if your wrong.

I was off by a thousand on my last bid. Luckly the sparky told me a solid number before i put it in.

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