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Old 04-12-2014, 10:53 AM   #41
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This is a really tough situation....

I know some might think this is a stupid question but.... What did he get in to? Cheap vodka or a nice bottle of scotch is going to make a difference in how much the HO would care and how likely they are to notice.

I think if I were to keep him if I were you he'd have to formally apologize to the client and replace what he stole + a nice bottle of wine or something. You should also make sure he understands that it was you who he disrespected by representing him this way far more than the client for stealing their booze.
That's all wrong thinking, in my opinion. The customer's concern will not be about the value of the booze; it will be about their safety in their own home. My one similar experience, I changed the customer's locks, even though there was zero chance the guy would ever come to their home. My (already fired) employee wanted to apologize to them, but I wouldn't let him near them.
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Old 04-12-2014, 10:56 AM   #42
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You guys are all making great points. I could never trust him again so I am leaning to letting him go now its just the right thing to do. Btw customers does not know what happened. I think I'm going to have a few drinks to finalize my decision lol JK Thanks for all of your guys kelp
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If he went out at lunch and got drunk I'd probably give him a second chance. But stealing from a client goes too far. How do you explain that to a client? Are you going to make him replace the booze and explain his actions to the client?
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You guys are all making great points. I could never trust him again so I am leaning to letting him go now its just the right thing to do. Btw customers does not know what happened. I think I'm going to have a few drinks to finalize my decision lol JK Thanks for all of your guys kelp
I would bring a bottle of what ever he drank, tell then what happened, ask for their forgiveness before they find out and have many questions that you will never be able to answer to their compete satisfaction.
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My opinion?

If the customer doesn't know, don't tell them. If you want to make it up to them, get them a gift certificate to a nice restaurant, and tell them it's a 'thank you' for the business.





Unless, of course, they find this thread, then all bets are off.
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My opinion?

If the customer doesn't know, don't tell them. If you want to make it up to them, get them a gift certificate to a nice restaurant, and tell them it's a 'thank you' for the business.





Unless, of course, they find this thread, then all bets are off.
No fvck that, you own up and take responsibility for your employees actions no matter what.
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Is mother being sick is a lame cop out to get drunk . He stole from your customer drunk at work . I would fire him if he was so up set how did he get 9 hours of work done in 5 hours
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Firing him could save his life if he's got an alcohol problem. He must have an alcohol problem because normal drinkers don't do theses things. IMO he's not a normal drinker. This is not characteristic of drinking like a gentleman.
I wouldn't keep him around, but firing him could also put him in a tailspin and destroy his life. If he stays under your control you may have enough leverage to keep him on the straight and narrow.

Most of the times when I keep someone against my better judgement, they prove to me that I should have just ended it when I had the justification.
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No fvck that, you own up and take responsibility for your employees actions no matter what.
I agree, they may know, and are waiting to see if you man-up. I would never let someone elses actions create a question of my own integrity.

I had an employee "hit and run" another vehicle. I brought him to the police station and made him fill out an accident report stating that he left the scene. Then I fired him. I thought he was a great employee and was concerned about how I would replace him, then after I fired him, the stories started about what he was really doing when no one was looking.

My wife has a saying "you are who you are when you think no one is watching"
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I would bet it is not the first time that it has happened just the first time you caught him
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My wife has a saying "you are who you are when you think no one is watching"
Yes, I also agree. There is another saying that is also relevant: "There are consequences for our actions."
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If part of you wants to keep him try this:

You reprimand him with 2 weeks off with the following conditions upon his return:
a) He either goes to AA or goes into treatment and has to show you PROOF of either when he returns to work.
b)He tells the home owner what he did and makes an amends(and monetary retribution) for his actions
c)Shows up drunk, hung over or drinks on the job again will be immediately dismissed.

This satisfies everyone involved.
1)You get to keep a good employee who will be even better sober.
2) The homeowner now trusts you even more because you were honest about the situation that could have easily been swept under the rug.
3) Your guy gets a second chance and gets the help he needs at the same time.

We ALL need second chances in life. Even if you decide to let him go, I would still tell the HO what happened and replace what was taken. If you don't and they find the missing booze problem more than likely you will be blamed and never trusted by them again. Remember that they allowed you into their home without them being there. That is a huge leap of faith for them.

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No fvck that, you own up and take responsibility for your employees actions no matter what.
Absolutely you take responsibility for it.

It's hard to comment, because we're not there, but there could be some situations where, for example, if I broke a water line during demo and the customer was not home, I'd fix the water line, mop up the water and carry on.

I wouldn't necessarily feel the need to tell them, "Oh hey, I got carried away with the Sawzall and cut a water line, but I fixed it".


I know this isn't the same situation because we're talking about theft, but still, if you could replace the bottle and move on, and no one is the wiser, maybe...
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Absolutely you take responsibility for it.

It's hard to comment, because we're not there, but there could be some situations where, for example, if I broke a water line during demo and the customer was not home, I'd fix the water line, mop up the water and carry on.

I wouldn't necessarily feel the need to tell them, "Oh hey, I got carried away with the Sawzall and cut a water line, but I fixed it".


I know this isn't the same situation because we're talking about theft, but still, if you could replace the bottle and move on, and no one is the wiser, maybe...
If I were 100% certain that the customer would not discover or suspect anything, I would not tell them. A summer home, used as a rental, freely used by the owner's friends and relatives, mess cleaned up, liquor replaced, I probably would not think it was necessary to disturb the customer's peace of mind. If I were only 99% sure, I would tell them.
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The homeowner now trusts you even more because you were honest about the situation that could have easily been swept under the rug.



Even if you decide to let him go, I would still tell the HO what happened and replace what was taken. If you don't and they find the missing booze problem more than likely you will be blamed and never trusted by them again. Remember that they allowed you into their home without them being there. That is a huge leap of faith for them.


After pondering it a bit, I understand the opposing view.

This by Stoneyard are really good points
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I would imagine everyone here, or close to it, has had a family member who was very ill. I know I did and I did not steal or drink on the job nor did the thought even cross my mind. In fact work was a good coping mechanism for me, kept me busy and I was able to get my mind off dads cancer.

I think there is only course of action in a case like this and its your fired.

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The man stole property. What is going to happen if he see's a couple Ben Franklins's laying around next time..
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The man stole property. What is going to happen if he see's a couple Ben Franklins's laying around next time..
He'd probably get an 8 ball and be done in 3 hours.
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As many others have said... Getting drunk on the job is absolutely unacceptable and stealing from customers is totally out of line. I don't care how good an employee is I would let them go.

Thinking of things from the customers view... If I had trusted someone to come into my home while I was away and then was told, "I'm sorry, but one of my guys took your booze and was drunk when I got here". I would be worried about what else potentially disappeared and probably would look for another contractor next time. Even though it's not your fault I would find it hard to invite you back.

Just my $.02. Sorry to hear this happened to you. Best of luck figuring out what to do next.
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I wouldn't keep him around, but firing him could also put him in a tailspin and destroy his life. If he stays under your control you may have enough leverage to keep him on the straight and narrow.

Most of the times when I keep someone against my better judgement, they prove to me that I should have just ended it when I had the justification.
No firing him is not what would destroy his life. That would be 100% caused by his drinking.

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