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Old 05-25-2014, 10:16 PM   #441
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Dealing with the 'Smokers', justifications / discussion is NEVER over. Side effect of low levels of THC in the system

Been wrestling with my son's similar behaviors... Been down here 3 weeks and away from working at a pizza joint job. Where they smoke and work for just above min wage. Greatest job ever, right? LOL That job-situation does not add up to entry level carpenter at 12/hr with potential for much mo money. He even, in a round about way, admitted being away (Aka decreased levels LOL) he has a clearer view on the subject. No longer wants to make the pizza place/smoking for a living / career.

Been on mind so I jumped in ... fix'n to jump out. This is an old "old" discussion.
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Dealing with the 'Smokers', justifications / discussion is NEVER over. Side effect of low levels of THC in the system
Not everyone who is in favor of legalization partakes in the usage of these substances.
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Yesterday I was driving here in wichita, ks and saw they were doing a check point for dui as well as a swab test. I've never heard of it so asked my neighbor who's a Sheriff Officer about it.
He told me with all the marijuana flooding in from Colorado it's really the only way at the moment to check for sure if someone is under the influence of pot short of a blood test. Does anyone else have that testing where they're from?
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How do you figure that? As an example of why your arguments don't hold water is Amsterdam decriminalized marijuana and petty crime DROPPED 60something percent in 6 months. Cities/countries that provide clean needles to drug addicts have seen drastic reductions in AIDS cases and petty crimes. I'm NO lib, by ANY means, but sometimes you need to realize that just throwing people in jail for crimes that don't hurt anybody (but themselves) is counterproductive. When drugs are legalized (and taxed) it takes away the 'danger factor'. When alcohol was made illegal, Americans drank 50% more. When prohibition ended, the illegal hooch makers all went out of business because consumption dropped. It wasn't as exciting and dangerous anymore.
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I've never seen anyone smoke pot and get hurt
Bullsh!t. A stoned worker is much more likely to injure themselves because they're not paying attention to the job at hand. Too busy rocking out to the music and being in la-la land. I know, I've been stoned on the job and cut myself
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Yesterday I was driving here in wichita, ks and saw they were doing a check point for dui as well as a swab test. I've never heard of it so asked my neighbor who's a Sheriff Officer about it.
He told me with all the marijuana flooding in from Colorado it's really the only way at the moment to check for sure if someone is under the influence of pot short of a blood test. Does anyone else have that testing where they're from?
Sounds like a 4A violation.
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Bullsh!t. A stoned worker is much more likely to injure themselves because they're not paying attention to the job at hand. Too busy rocking out to the music and being in la-la land. I know, I've been stoned on the job and cut myself
Don't call bull****, I don't remember seeing you there during my 39 years. Loud music or ear phones were not allowed. And if you cut yourself that's your stupidity. Not everyone becomes a dumbass when smoking pot.
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Not everyone who is in favor of legalization partakes in the usage of these substances.
I'm not against legalizing it. Lean libertarian actually. Personally through experience do not believe it's the wisest vice to have in your life. Along with heavy drinking. Done both and the end result is always diminished potential - time & money wasted (in more ways than one). It's a personal choice and an individuals to make and take responsibility for.

Sooo my comment was supposed to be a "Funny". With A small grain of Ironic truth but still jest in fun even inserted the """" smiley to express that it was supposed to be funny in fun- guess not

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Sounds like a 4A violation.
You don't have to submit to a swab text. It's your right but they have a right to not let you drive if you don't. When you sign for your drivers license you agree to submit or lose your license. They aren't making you give up your 4th. It's a choice.

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Did my 'Story' have too many facts in it for you??

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Did my 'Story' have too many facts in it for you??
Absolutely none, but thanks for asking.

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Why don't kids vote or have driver's licenses, or go to the casino? Why don't people put beer on their kids' cheerios? The simple, honest answer is that yes, many things in life are harmful and society in general does not give these things to children until they have reached an age and maturity level where they are reasonably able to make informed decisions for themselves. So, yes, IMO your argument about why a person does not give pot to their children is, indeed, obtuse. And pay no attention to the colour of my screen name. I am just a guy, like you, and I hope my ideas would have merit due to their composition and not some green letters.
Drivers license isn't a carcinogenic smoke harming the lungs and delivering a mind altering substance. That's all you got?

Weak bro. But being that you are from the Kootney lake region, I totally understand your acceptance of pot. I was born in Nelson. It's the Mecca of draft dodging pot-heads from back in the 60s-70s. It's still full of people who think that some laws don't apply to them.

As for being a mod.......it Sh/be like being a cop. You submit to, obey and enforce the law. Kinda means setting the right example.

Just some thoughts.

Oh yeah, and MJ is harmful and wrong. Again for the thick-headed out there. I HAVE NO WAY TO STOP YOU FROM TOKIN'. NOR WOULD I CARE TO. I WILL JUST TELL YOU THAT WEED IS WRONG.
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Isn't the 5+ years of steady economic depression and general failure of the Obama White house top to bottom alone reasons to rethink allowing a bunch of former and current drug users and abusers in positions of authority and responsibility? The guy hired a tax dodger to run the Dept of Treasury!!! now the loser is cashing in via the best seller list? Huh? I thought we had a law criminals couldn't sell their stories for a profit.

Could anyone clean and sober of thought "fast and Furious"(just naming a Law enforcement effort after a movie that glorifies law breaking is stupid.) a good idea..... Let us give 2 thousand machine Guns to criminals, then arrest them, it will help let us out law semi-auto-rifles for US citizens.....

Let the working fools smoke dope, they won't notice we are taking 60% of their income.... Poorly educated and stoned... sounds like a well run Plantation or feudal barony...

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Throw your car keys to a 10 year old and just tell him to be back before dark. I mean, adults can drive a car, why not a kid? We can take these "what's good for one isn't good for another" arguments to extremes all day long.
HELLO???

You and the Canuck must be on something.

To equate driving a car with doing drugs..........how do you get there?


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If something is physically or mentally bad for a human child, then it supposes that the same is physically or mentally bad for a human adult. The diff being that the human adult can CHOOSE TO BE STUPID AND TAKE RISKS that we won't want a child to risk.



I'm stunned at the complete and utter lacking of common sense reasoning on display here. Some of you folks are clinical.
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You don't have to submit to a swab text. It's your right but they have a right to not let you drive if you don't. When you sign for your drivers license you agree to submit or lose your license. They aren't making you give up your 4th. It's a choice.

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Thats how the law is here if you have a license. I drove through it, took my tests and went to dinner. I personally don't mind the test and wouldn't refuse because I've been pot free since 96.
I had just never heard of it until then except for an vehicular accident or job accident. All the legal pot in Colorado is making its way to this state and already causing problems.
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Thats how the law is here if you have a license. I drove through it, took my tests and went to dinner. I personally don't mind the test and wouldn't refuse because I've been pot free since 96.
I had just never heard of it until then except for an vehicular accident or job accident. All the legal pot in Colorado is making its way to this state and already causing problems.
This is where the feds are suppose to do their job. When it crosses state line its suppose to be a federal issue. Pot in and of itself is a federal crime. But transporting it across state lines with intent to sell. It falls under the drug trafficking laws.

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I don't even know why the OP even started a thread like this. Dope is not legal anywhere in this country. So as an employer I can say you aren't allowed to come to work on an illegal controlled substance. Cannibis is controlled substance 7360 listed with the DEA as an illegal drug.

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I don't even know why the OP even started a thread like this. Dope is not legal anywhere in this country. So as an employer I can say you aren't allowed to come to work on an illegal controlled substance. Cannibis is controlled substance 7360 listed with the DEA as an illegal drug. Sent from my SM-T520 using Tapatalk
It's absolutely not legal federally but on the state/city level it is legal in many places. That said, "legal" is probably a more appropriate term since in the end it's illegal on the federal level.

The city of Portland, ME recently "legalized" recreational marijuana. I'm not sure what that accomplished since nothing has changed around here. We didn't get any dispensaries or dangerous potheads roaming the streets.

That is actually exactly why I started this thread. I was wondering at what point smoking weed in your off time becomes acceptable in terms of employment.

Personally, I don't think a joint over the weekend is going to ruin an employee, so if I'm allowed to hire him despite a popped urine test, that's great. That said, I work alone, don't need employees, and if I did, they would work alongside me, not alone in/on other people's property.

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Maybe a better thread would have been: "If you relocated to a country where marijuana was legal, would you still discriminate against casual users (off-hours habit only) looking for employment?"

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