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Old 06-22-2011, 01:36 AM   #61
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You're freaking me out man!
2 totally different statements about the subject taken out of context to make an invalid point.

Drugs aren't the problem in this case.

Drugs are a problem overall.
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Old 06-22-2011, 01:38 AM   #62
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You're freaking me out man!
Copy the rest of it so It's in proper context. Drugs are a problem in and of itself, but the problem goes much deeper........as in why people do drugs. I don't expect you to understand.
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2 totally different statements about the subject taken out of context to make an invalid point.

Drugs aren't the problem in this case.

Drugs are a problem overall.
Does not compute.

The point is not invalid as he truly is freaking me out. My point was clearly stated.

The topic of the thread is drug testing. The statements I quoted are all taken from and in the context of this thread.
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Does not compute.
Sorry about that but it's as obvious as rain. Didn't mean to interrupt your freaking out.
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Copy the rest of it so It's in proper context. Drugs are a problem in and of itself, but the problem goes much deeper........as in why people do drugs. I don't expect you to understand.
You're correct, I don't really understand where your coming from.

Why do you justify the drugs (alcohol) you do while at the same time saying that the drugs other people use are a problem? Drugs are either a problem or they are not a problem.

Do you see the disconnect there at all?

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Sorry about that but it's as obvious as rain. Didn't mean to interrupt your freaking out.
I was done freaking out anyway. Now I'm just wigging.
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OK it has just become clear to me what the mods do very well done Angus and Griz
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You're correct, I don't really understand where your coming from.

Why do you justify the drugs (alcohol) you do while at the same time saying that the drugs other people use are a problem? Drugs are either a problem or they are not a problem.

Do you see the disconnect there at all?
You seem to paint drugs with one big brush in many country's it is common for the kids at the dinner table to have a small glass of wine
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Fascinating thread.

I wonder haw many people here that would rail about gov. regulations and intrusion are getting high and mighty on weed smoking. I'm not talking about on the job but off the clock. And I am talking specifically about weed.

Mike some folks don't do it cause they need to but just because they enjoy it.

You can rest your case on it's illegality but that is pretty flimsy in my book considering our history with prohibition and the amount of damage liqueur and tobacco cause in the population.

The ins. aspect is the argument against that makes the most sense to me, the rest, not so much. Certainly not from anyone that drinks.
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My best buddy and I used to be big pot heads during and right after high school. Now only 6 years later after I stopped and he continued, you can take a look at where our different life paths have taken us.

We both had nearly the exact same up bringing, same friends, and same party habits. What could be the reason for this?

Don't get me wrong, I used to really enjoy it. Sometimes I still think about doing it but now I get "high" in other ways. To those who think you do your best work on it, you wouldn't think that if you weren't stoned.

Now in my case, if you ever step foot on my jobsite under the influence, there will be consequences for those actions.
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You can be for drugs or against, and like Cletus you may still be missing the OP's point.

He doesn't want to invent a new drug test. And he definitely does not want to hire druggies. His mind is made up. No drugs on his job. Now he just needs something better than ineffective testing to 'weed' them out.

His question was about how to hire people who don't do drugs.
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Of course, if the truth be known, since he has not answered even one time in this entire thread, I think we can assume the intent of the original post was really only to advertise his site, and the fact that you can get his stuff at any gas station.

AND, did he not very cleverly let all of us know we can run to that site and find stuff that cannot be detected?

See, this is why I couldn't be a mod. I would delete that site reference........ ESPECIALLY from a first-time poster.
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If the stuff is legal whats the problem?

Did the guys start eating the mud and putting sheets on backwards?
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I was done freaking out anyway. Now I'm just wigging.
I've heard the wacky does make some people paranoid.
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Fascinating thread.

I wonder haw many people here that would rail about gov. regulations and intrusion are getting high and mighty on weed smoking. I'm not talking about on the job but off the clock. And I am talking specifically about weed.

Mike some folks don't do it cause they need to but just because they enjoy it.

You can rest your case on it's illegality but that is pretty flimsy in my book considering our history with prohibition and the amount of damage liqueur and tobacco cause in the population.

The ins. aspect is the argument against that makes the most sense to me, the rest, not so much. Certainly not from anyone that drinks.
Like I indicated much earlier, you can do it all you want that's fine by me. If you want to compare my wife and I having a glass of wine together to smoking pot than go ahead...compare it, agree with it, disagree with it, or anything else you can conjure up.

Life is about decisions and in the end we have to live wih a lifetime of decisions. I think illegal drugs are clear stupid and it's a poor decision but I don't have to live with your decisions I just have to live with my own. If people think they can live a fruitfull life by altering there mind with illegal drugs than all I can say is good luck because I feel you will need it.
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Like I indicated much earlier, you can do it all you want that's fine by me. If you want to compare my wife and I having a glass of wine together to smoking pot than go ahead...compare it, agree with it, disagree with it, or anything else you can conjure up.

Life is about decisions and in the end we have to live wih a lifetime of decisions. I think illegal drugs are clear stupid and it's a poor decision but I don't have to live with your decisions I just have to live with my own. If people think they can live a fruitfull life by altering there mind with illegal drugs than all I can say is good luck because I feel you will need it.
Mike wine does alter your mind, chemically, obviously. as does the sugar in those Rhesus cups, as does the caffeine in your coffee, as do the endorphins in your workout.

Do you think you can alter your mind in all these ways and have a fruitful life? (this is not a serious question I know your answer I believe)

My Grandfather was brought low primarily from wine (cooking sherry I believe it was) and tobacco. One shot his liver and the other shot his circulation. Now there were other issues in his life, such as not enough endorphins (from exercising), but it was his drinking and smoking that did him in.

I actually think you and I are pretty close in our primary view on the thing, I would phrase it like this though.

"Life is about decisions and in the end we have to live with a lifetime of decisions. I think any drug that becomes a habit and gets chosen to escape life is a poor decision but I don't have to live with their decisions. I just have to live with my own. If people think they can live a fruitful life by spending most of their time altering there mind with drugs than all I can say is good luck because I feel you will need it."

I would assume that the above statement would apply to someone that got drunk on wine every night.



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Legal Illegal doesn't matter. Using on the job and during working hours is a no-no. What one does after work on their own time that doesn't affect their work. Is no ones business.

And BTW if you drink you are a drug user. Don't try and minimalize that one with me.
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A glass of wine is perfectly legal however, and I don't have issues
And yet, a one time it was illegal and the biggest contributor to Organized Crime, The Kennedy Family and many other events that have shaped the World in which we live today.


Hmmmmmmmm.
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Legal Illegal doesn't matter.

And BTW if you drink you are a drug user. Don't try and minimalize that one with me.

If you smoke cigarettes or chew tobacco, you ARE A DRUG USER!

Coffee as well.


Another "Hmmmmmm"...
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Like I indicated much earlier, you can do it all you want that's fine by me. If you want to compare my wife and I having a glass of wine together to smoking pot than go ahead...compare it, agree with it, disagree with it, or anything else you can conjure up.

Life is about decisions and in the end we have to live wih a lifetime of decisions. I think illegal drugs are clear stupid and it's a poor decision but I don't have to live with your decisions I just have to live with my own. If people think they can live a fruitfull life by altering there mind with illegal drugs than all I can say is good luck because I feel you will need it.
Your body doesn't know if the drugs you are taking are illegal or not. To argue the point of legality when comparing alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and a few other recreational drugs is a classic red herring. For example, you could have removed the word 'illegal' from your post and it would ring just as true.

While typing out in ever widening contradicting circles you almost landed on the truth of the matter. It's not the drug, it's how the person uses the drug (any drug). You, and the majority of the people on Earth, are able to control their recreational drug use in a way that is not a significant burden to the individual or society. That some people do not control their use indicates a problem with people, not drugs. It's that 'correlation does not equal causation' stuff we all learned in high school.

As for myself, my strength of character and acceptance of pure reality prevents the need for recreational drugs. I will only use a drug under the direction of a medical professional. It's how I roll.
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If you smoke cigarettes or chew tobacco, you ARE A DRUG USER!

Coffee as well.


Another "Hmmmmmm"...
Yes those are drugs too. I don't smoke cig's any more. Going on three years. As for caffeine I am a addict. Though I have cut down to a pot of coffee a day. All drank in the first hours awake.

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