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Old 06-21-2011, 09:10 AM   #41
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I'll take a stoner over a tweaker or a drunk any day. Tweakers will rip you off then help you look for it or just run around in circles, and i've known too many boozers that can't make it till lunch w/out drinking if they can make it in at all. One drunk I had the pleasure of working with needed no less than 8-24oz. Steelies to get through the day... trashed EVERY DAY!

I drink too much (after work) and I smoke on occasion, done some of my best work stoned out of my mind. I actually was told by a former employer once to start smoking again after I quit for a while and began making huge expensive mistakes for some reason. He actually confronted me and asked if I was on drugs... I told him I had quit, he said start again cuz he couldn't afford my mistakes.

I could go on autopilot when I was baked, didn't need to think about it at all, I couldn't think right unless I was blazed. Anymore it just puts me to sleep, I take a puff and i'll be sleeping in the truck in an hour.
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Old 06-21-2011, 09:51 AM   #42
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I guess it's back to snorting nutmeg.
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Around here the synthetics have been banned, they are currently getting drug tests for these synthetics and are in the works, the bath salts that are equal to coke will be detected soon.

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How does somebody have time to take a bath
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Am I the only one that thinks this was just a ploy to get his link up? No, I'm not paranoid or high
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Am I the only one that thinks this was just a ploy to get his link up? No, I'm not paranoid or high
WoW I think you've got sometin there
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...Why is it people find the need to take mind altering drugs whatever the substance? ...

...Drugs can't be justified...

...What benefit is there to doing drugs? This is pathetic...

...why would anybody protect a drug user is beyond me...
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...as I sit here with a glass of wine...



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Am I the only one that thinks this was just a ploy to get his link up? No, I'm not paranoid or high
yep, conveniently links to a particular brand's website,,,mentions that it is not detected in drug tests,,,,that it is legal (for now) and basically tries to act like the post is NOT a mini commercial aimed at their target demographic


misspelled "their" BTW,,,


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Yeah I'm sure that does sound odd.

A glass of wine is perfectly legal however, and I don't have issues with my company not to mention I'm not the one bitching. Nice try though.
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Heavens to Betsy, there must be a low rep for contractors if homey was trying to pimp spice here. I could see promoting this at younghipcats.com or something, but here? Talk about barking up the wrong tree.

Anyways, not all pot smokers are stoners, and we all have our own definition of top notch guys. Always enjoy the banter, even if my "voice of reason" isn't recognized.
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I'll take a stoner over a tweaker or a drunk any day. Tweakers will rip you off then help you look for it or just run around in circles, and i've known too many boozers that can't make it till lunch w/out drinking if they can make it in at all. One drunk I had the pleasure of working with needed no less than 8-24oz. Steelies to get through the day... trashed EVERY DAY! I drink too much (after work) and I smoke on occasion, done some of my best work stoned out of my mind..
I'm with you . In my area crackheads are the worst , then IMO the drunks . I mean the real alcoholics . A guy having a hangover once or twice a month isn't a killer but the ones that are hungover every day are useless to me .
Weed smokers never gave me any trouble . Don't want it on the job though .
I'm suprised the OPs employees are resorting to using what I would call fake drugs . Has to be really bad for your health even short term.

I know a bunch of union guys that smoke weed and they all use fake piss and handwarmers to pass their randoms .I'm talking longterm journeyman and master electricians and a few steam fitters in their mid 40s. These guys are very good at what they do and all have wifes , kids , houses ect . Great guys . They've told me they have co-workers who won't work on jobsites that have random UAs . They stay employed but don't move up very far in the company .

Fake weed and bath salts pretending to be cocaine ? Damn I think I'd feel better if they were using the real thing . I wouldn't put that **** into my body .
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Heavens to Betsy, there must be a low rep for contractors if homey was trying to pimp spice here. I could see promoting this at younghipcats.com or something, but here? Talk about barking up the wrong tree.

Anyways, not all pot smokers are stoners, and we all have our own definition of top notch guys. Always enjoy the banter, even if my "voice of reason" isn't recognized.
FWIW: I always enjoy reading your voice of reason on the forum, even if on the rare occasion we don't agree.
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Thanks Mike.

I think drug testing is being used to get rid of employees for financial reasons. Let's say a mid level manager needs to go..."Let's get rid of Ned, you know the guy who smokes weed" no unemployment, might forfeit certain benefits...etc.".

If you don't like Ned, fine, man-up give an official reason. But a random drug test....B.S.

As for legalization, not yet. There is a lot of things that need to be addressed before even working out a policy.
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Thanks Mike.

I think drug testing is being used to get rid of employees for financial reasons. Let's say a mid level manager needs to go..."Let's get rid of Ned, you know the guy who smokes weed" no unemployment, might forfeit certain benefits...etc.".

If you don't like Ned, fine, man-up give an official reason. But a random drug test....B.S.

As for legalization, not yet. There is a lot of things that need to be addressed before even working out a policy.
It's amazing how many drug test were given back when I worked for the union. It wasn't the union that required it, it was the great big GC's like Mortenson who DEMANDED it. There jobsites are like little cities and they have all sorts of laws etc. Just dealing with them was very expensive.

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No, alcohol is not alright, those people get fired also.

Why is it people find the need to take mind altering drugs whatever the substance? I don't care what people do in there homes that's none of my business but when a person spends 8 hours a day working most things on the home front spill into the work environment. There is a reason why drug test happen, if it wasn't a problem nobody would do drug tests in the first place. Drugs can't be justified, the human body doesn't require it.

I smoked week just out of high school then had to grow up and be an adult. I left all my friends back then and to this day each and every one of them have went down hill and are pretty much brain dead. What benefit is there to doing drugs? This is pathetic.

I can't even believe this conversation is happening, why would anybody protect a drug user is beyond me.

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What you need to do is worry about what Mike (insert your last name here) is doing. Why do you care about what others do? Worry about yourself.
You were polite and cautious with what you said until someone piped up and took your side. Stop judging people. If you don't like pot or coke or whatever, don't do it. I don't even know why you would ever concern yourself with "why anyone would want to protect a drug user." Who the hell are you? Some supreme being capable of judging us all? No, you certainly are not.

There are alot of cool, smart, motivated contractors on this forum. I guarantee you, many of them smoke pot. Live and let live.
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There are alot of cool, smart, motivated contractors on this forum. I guarantee you, many of them smoke pot. Live and let live.
Cool, of coarse they're cool they smoke hash buds
Smart, when you learn the facts about the killer buds I don't think so
motivated, maybe over motivated and that is why they smoke hash buds
The bottom line is in todays world most big contractors piss test you for lower inc. rates and if you use sync. piss and have an ascendent and hurt bad you go to the ER and they test your blood for hash buds and they can, it's in the fine print you sing at hire and you are found Dirty they can deny your claim
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...There are alot of cool, smart, motivated contractors on this forum.

Yes. You are correct.

I guarantee you, many of them smoke pot... .
Just WTF makes you think that?

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Cool, of coarse they're cool they smoke hash buds
Smart, when you learn the facts about the killer buds I don't think so
motivated, maybe over motivated and that is why they smoke hash buds
The bottom line is in todays world most big contractors piss test you for lower inc. rates and if you use sync. piss and have an ascendent and hurt bad you go to the ER and they test your blood for hash buds and they can, it's in the fine print you sing at hire and you are found Dirty they can deny your claim
DWB, you are quite right.
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What you need to do is worry about what Mike (insert your last name here) is doing. Why do you care about what others do? Worry about yourself.
You were polite and cautious with what you said until someone piped up and took your side. Stop judging people. If you don't like pot or coke or whatever, don't do it. I don't even know why you would ever concern yourself with "why anyone would want to protect a drug user." Who the hell are you? Some supreme being capable of judging us all? No, you certainly are not.

There are alot of cool, smart, motivated contractors on this forum. I guarantee you, many of them smoke pot. Live and let live.
Hmmmmm, little sensitive about drugs hey?

It's a forum, if you can't handle people opinions then play videos games or something. If you think I'm going to just read this and say "Oh yeah sweetheart drugs are fine" your wrong.

Drugs are a problem in my opinion.
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I see some people think it's no ones business what they do on their own time. Some think differently. Let me tell you how it is with my company. You work for me I'm going to tell you what to wear. (Usually whites) I'm going to tell you to be clean shaven, or at least well groomed. If I think your cologne is too strong I'll tell you about that too. I'm going to tell you what yu can say. (No swearing) I'm pretty much going to have my nose in all of your business. And yeah what you do at home matters too. Go to jail. Better hope I don't see you in the paper. I expect my guys to represent my company, on and off the clock. everything is my business.
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