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Old 08-08-2010, 06:56 PM   #41
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So in Oregon as a painting contractor you can do electrical or plumbing work without breaking the law?
You can do all 3 with a particular bond (specialty) but that is all you can do under that bond. It's limited to 3 trades.

Lets keep in mind that all certifications need to be held for what ever trade your doing. We are not talking about breaking the law within a single trade. Were simply talking about doing another trade outside your primary trade.
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You can do all 3 with a particular bond (specialty) but that is all you can do under that bond. It's limited to 3 trades.
What does this mean?
http://www.oregon.gov/CCB/special_ce...al_Contractors

"In addition to a CCB license, Electricians and Electrical Contractors must be licensed through Oregon's Building Codes Division (BCD)."
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That's correct. I edited my previous post to help clarify what we are talking about, or at least what I understand the discussion to be about.
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I propose that all us contractors go to a barter system. I'll pour your slab and you tile my bathroom, You build his cabinets and he roofs your house, etc. That way, none of us go broke fixing up our own houses and we don't have to give up any trade secrets, and nobody goes to jail.
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In a general sight of the issue, it is not illegal to work outside your own trade with the right bond in Oregon. Whether or not your qualified by state law is another whole issue. I didn't see this to be what the discussion was about.

Back to the OP issue if we are done here.
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I like what you said jb4211. I'm a painter by trade but I know how to do other things. I'll be doing finish carpentry by the end of the week and maybe by the end of the month I'll be installing new Trex (composite decking) on an existing deck... I wouldn't offer a service for something I could not confidently do. Maybe I'm confidently arrogant for stepping outside my trade...

Holding a GC's bond in Oregon doesn't limit me to what I can do.
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Working outside one's trade can have the consequences that could run the gamut from being illegal to getting someone killed.
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Nor is it against the law to work outside my own trade....
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In some areas it is.
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Name one.

Here in Oregon you have to carry a bond and the bond is what determines what you can do. But... you have to have a bond in order to be legal. So, if you have a specialty contractor's bond then you are limited to working in 3 trades on a single job (any more than that then your comment holds weight). If you have a GC's bond, then there is not much you can't do.

The issue here is staying with in the law. Then it's obvious that it would be illegal outside the law.

But being illegal to even work one trade outside your own? I find that hard to believe and that is why I say "name one". Especially when Oregon is one of the strictest states for being contracted.
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You can do all 3 with a particular bond (specialty) but that is all you can do under that bond. It's limited to 3 trades.

Lets keep in mind that all certifications need to be held for what ever trade your doing. We are not talking about breaking the law within a single trade. Were simply talking about doing another trade outside your primary trade.
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That's correct. I edited my previous post to help clarify what we are talking about, or at least what I understand the discussion to be about.
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In a general sight of the issue, it is not illegal to work outside your own trade with the right bond in Oregon. Whether or not your qualified by state law is another whole issue. I didn't see this to be what the discussion was about.

Back to the OP issue if we are done here.
The point I was trying to make was that working outside of one's trade can be illegal....Not mentioning about someone being unqualified to do said work,which is a whole different discussion.

In some states it's as simple as a painting contractor can only do paint,a flooring contractor can only do flooring,a gc can not do electrical,plumbing,hvac...ect.

The way I read it,in OR a GC can not do plumbing or electrical work unless they hold an additional license.Maybe I am reading it wrong?
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In the spirit of the original question, there are many many threads on this site that are similar to this:

"I'm not a ________ but I got a job doing __________. What is the best way to _________?"

While I personally don't think it's a good idea to be a jack of all trades, some guys are. And there are some guys that are good at a lot. I'm not saying it can't be done.

But as a home owner, I wouldn't want the cable guy to repair my frig. I think it's easier for me to market my company because I do one thing really well. It also (IMO) makes it easier for me to get top dollar for the jobs I contract.

Not every situation is the same. Not every person works the same. I get that. But if you take the OP, you can see why sometimes answers are "cocky". It does get old answering question after question to someone who gets themselves in a jam and need a way out OR someone comes here for free advice on how to perform a job they're getting paid to do.
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In the spirit of the original question, there are many many threads on this site that are similar to this:

"I'm not a ________ but I got a job doing __________. What is the best way to _________?"

While I personally don't think it's a good idea to be a jack of all trades, some guys are. And there are some guys that are good at a lot. I'm not saying it can't be done.

But as a home owner, I wouldn't want the cable guy to repair my frig. I think it's easier for me to market my company because I do one thing really well. It also (IMO) makes it easier for me to get top dollar for the jobs I contract.

Not every situation is the same. Not every person works the same. I get that. But if you take the OP, you can see why sometimes answers are "cocky". It does get old answering question after question to someone who gets themselves in a jam and need a way out OR someone comes here for free advice on how to perform a job they're getting paid to do.
I agree..I do more than one trade myself.But what I do I do right.I don't try to do things for a paying customer that I have no idea how to do it correctly and safely.

It is pretty easy to read between the lines of a post and tell if someone is in way over there head in trying to do something.Those are the posts that normally get roasted.
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ok, ok...hoooooolllllldddddd up.

No one was referring to doing anything illegal. I was in law enforcement for just shy of 18 yrs., not wanting to break the law just yet. Nor am I going to take any jobs involving a torched down roof in the near future either. I never did it, don't know the much about it, only I'm pretty sure there's some kinda torch involved used over some pretty dry wood. However, if that was the only thing available, I'd definitely find a reputable sub QUICK!!!
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It's funny how a thread can be started after a rare, long night out with the guys. Then not get roasted as bad as I thought. And, how most threads go down different roads...

As far as the side road, I've made an effort to learn about everything I can In residential construction. Enough so I could do most of the work to my own house, and possibly actively GC a new house in the future. Do I do it all to get paid? No. But its good to know. I do specialize in bathroom remodeling, but my passion or destiny is carpentry (trim work, cabinetry). I'm trying to become a specialist in this area now. My skills are decent enough, but I'm always adding to those and learning. Everyday.

I can see the view of doing work, that you are capable of, to pay the bills. But like Angus was saying, you'll never know everything or be as efficient as someone who specializes in a particular field. I know a company that specializes in just shutters. And they make them for all over the country. Alot of people send them shutters just to finish. You'll never be able to charge the proper rates if you do everything. Or atleast you shouldn't. And I think that goes into the pricing questions too.

As far as the OP, I wasn't saying for myself that people were azzes to me. Far from it. I get the smart comments, and I give them. That's part of the fun. When I've had a question, for the most part, everyone has been very helpful. But, for someone new that sees a post where someone gets nailed with a remington, I would think its a bit discouraging. My advice is to read alot before you post and get familiar with the site.

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I agree..I do more than one trade myself.But what I do I do right.I don't try to do things for a paying customer that I have no idea how to do it correctly and safely.
Exactly. That's where I am also and that is why I mention about "limits' in another post of mine up yonder there...

I think the general census is that most, if not all of us are on the same page in regards to this issue.
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ok, ok...hoooooolllllldddddd up.

No one was referring to doing anything illegal.
Agreed.

Apparently there are states out there that enforce a one trade only license. Illinois seems to be one of them. As far as being legal to do more, that is a state to state issue and each trade has their governing requirements in order to work it.

Ok, cool!.... Glad I am not in one of those states.......
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Agreed.

Apparently there are states out there that enforce a one trade only license. Illinois seems to be one of them. As far as being legal to do more, that is a state to state issue and each trade has their governing requirements in order to work it.

Ok, cool!.... Glad I am not in one of those states.......
In Illinois, you need to be licensed to pull a permit for electrical, plumbing or roofing.
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In Illinois, you need to be licensed to pull a permit for electrical, plumbing or roofing.
Well, we weren't talking about pulling permits. I gather that would be rather normal in most states eh?

Again, we were talking (or so I thought...) about being legal to do more than one trade as a contractor. My point is or was, that if you have the right qualifications that you can do more than one trade per job. I explained what it took to do that here in Oregon as an example. If pulling a permit requires certain qualifications for your trade then you legally can participate in that trade with those quals and add it to your resume in hopes of more work, legally.

It seems were getting into the semantics of the issue rather than what it really started out as (legally doing more than one trade).

If qualifications are needed then I suggest that you get them. If there are none needed, like finish carpentry or replacing deck boards, then be confident in what your doing and enjoy it. Make some cash and move onto the next project.

A jack of all trades is a jack of none.

Lets continue to push forward and enjoy what we do.
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It's funny cause the person giving the stupid answer is the one who thinks it's a stupid question... Which is rather irrelevant considering the one asking the question has a relevant reason. I never did understand why people like to make others look bad or act like their superior (making others feel inferior) than others. Anyways, good on ya skyhook. There are many things my dad did that I learned from and have not repeated through my adult hood. Unfortunately, I think there are a few like us and more people who live in generational curses. But that's a whole other can to be spilled at another time...
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