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Old 03-10-2012, 08:40 PM   #1
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Do You Let Homeowners Do Any Of The Work?


Occasionally I'll bid a job and the homeowner will want to do part of it to save money. Painting is the the most common request. Years ago, I built a house for a couple and they wanted to paint it themselves. I agreed, thinking that it's their house and if they can live with it then why not. Needless to say, it was horrible. I realized that even though they did it, it had my name all over it. Ever since then, I don't allow it. Besides the quality issue, time is another factor. How about you guys? Do you allow it on your jobs? Have You ever had to deal with it? How did you handle it? Just curious what other people think about this.
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:47 PM   #2
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Not if I can help it. especially paint. A bad paint job can ruin a great trim job.

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They can do whatever they want AFTER I get paid.
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This subject has been covered here before (of course), and bottom line, it's a judgement call. I have one client who's an ex-deck builder, but after couple of replacement hips and other surgeries, just can't do the job on his own place.

But he's the best cut man I've ever had.
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About all I'll let a HO do is removal of an existing floor or if they seem compitant, masking.
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It doesn't come up enough for it to be a concern... But when it does, I tell them that them wanting to do a part of a project can throw our schedule out of whack, and affect peoples paychecks, because time is money and delays equal aggravation for everyone...

For paint and as it relates to your name, they can paint even after you've painted and done a great job (people change their minds) and your name is still on it...
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It's funny this came up, my owner came to me wanting to do electrical, tile and paint. We're to rough sub work right now- hvac, plumbing, elec. 4 way scheduled for next thurs. anyway the owner came to me yesterday and said he gives up and wants me to take over the tile and painting. The electrical was too much for him. He had some of it done but hired an electrician that I know to finish. The owners no spring chicken, I'm glad he realized he was in over his head early on. I saw all this coming a mile away.
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They ask, I tell them they can start with washing my truck. If they do good they move to the trailer.
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It's funny this came up, my owner came to me wanting to do electrical, tile and paint. We're to rough sub work right now- hvac, plumbing, elec. 4 way scheduled for next thurs. anyway the owner came to me yesterday and said he gives up and wants me to take over the tile and painting. The electrical was too much for him. He had some of it done but hired an electrician that I know to finish. The owners no spring chicken, I'm glad he realized he was in over his head early on. I saw all this coming a mile away.
And now, unfortunately for him, it will cost him more than your original bid. Right?
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I have already credited some money for customers tearing out their old tub or shower units. The credit comes after I see how good they did
Usually it's not bad, I end up pulling a few nails everytime
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Don't think so...

Was working on a place one time... walked in with the guys in the morning, to discover the HO had taken it upon himself to paint his bathroom...we had a good laugh at his cut lines that were 1'' into the ceiling in places, drips all over the wall from uneven rolling, etc. Nice guy but I think most 11 year olds could do a better job painting. Took me awhile to fix it.

That same job, he bought a bunch of new interior doors and had his unemployed brother in law "handyman" hang them one weekend, as he never discussed the doors with us and it was not included in the price. He hung them all right, however didn't do any hinge gains, just screwed the hinge to the side of the door..needless to say they were a little tight to close...

Haven't had anyone ask or attempt it since then, however i'm really not keen on it.
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I will allow them to either do or hire out trenching to another sub.
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I've tried it---and regretted the decision each time.

Demolition is never complete--and paint? Usually awful---If they paint after I go (with my check) there is nothing I can do---However I always include priming with drywall installs if a pro is not painting.

Homeowners do not understand that some minor touch ups of new work are required and are the painters job.

Seldom do my customers do any thing other that watch----
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My husband will let them paint, but he tells them they had better do an amazing job painting so they don't ruin his work. Hasn't had any problems yet.
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The only time that this arrangement has ever worked is when the HO did their part BEFORE I came in to do the bid. So in a bathroom remodel, if they did the demo work, then I can accurately bid on doing the electrical and plumbing rough-ins based upon what they've left me to work with. And then if they want to do their own drywall, that's fine.. but they need to pay me for the completed rough-ins.

Otherwise one thing that is dangerous about having the HO help is that if the HO works a full time job plus evening and weekend activities with the kids, then your schedule ends up being on the HO's time.
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I just flat out say "NO"
Whatever they want me to do I will do, after I leave they can do whatever they want.
I had a lady get angry at me for not letting her and her "boyfriend" clean up a roof job. I explained to her we clean up everyday all day and the last thing I need is a mess laying around after I leave. never did do her roof, in fact it's been over a year and the roof still isn't done.
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Had a handful of cutomers who use to have there "son's/ in laws take care of there yard when they would come down every so often".. first time it's a warning next time they get dropped.. After I politely tell them/remind them if they thought they could get there family/in laws to come down every weekend. it usually stops.. Also to note this only applies for my monthly, quarterly type services.. If they want to plant plants, fertilize, brush clearing, weed, chainsaw work etc etc- then by all means have at it...
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I have one this week that is busting up some concrete that is in the way of their deck.

They wanted to get the price down a little bit, so I let them do the one thing I don't want to do.

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