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Old 02-26-2009, 06:11 PM   #61
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Also, this isn't just paranoia with these people. Some highly placed corporate executives, beauracrats, and politicians have serious concerns about personal safety. Many individuals in certain cultural communities have a real concern about home invasions. The Vietnamese, Korean, and Chinese here in the DC area have a real fear of this.

Right now, I am learning more and trying to determine how to market this and to whom as well as quantifying my services to specific needs in my area. I think once I break into the corporate enclave here, my chances of referals increase dramatically.
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One of my builders put a "pantry" behind a full length cabinet (30x80). Big enough for a gun safe + groceries. Grandpa had the ends of the kitchen soffit removeable and gun racks inside. Lots of possibilities.
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Mike (VA) mind if I steal parts from that doc?

Dirt - look back to my prior post, that is all that guy does

Around here some people look for tornado shelters inside, their not really into hidden rooms - I would love to work on a few of them though
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I have been thinking about this for a long time. I think this is an idea that could be successful in both good times and bad times.
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I'm sorry, but I had to laugh... I followed the link to the web site showcasing this "serious" work, and in all honesty, I find it a serious subject. That was until i clicked on the first photo link.

It was a photo of a bookcase in which the far left section swung out to reveal [dun dun duuunnn!!!!] a hidden bookcase, complete with books on it.

I was shocked! Imagine someone wanting to hide books, behind books. I think someone was trying to impress a librarian.
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Dad always built something in and he was damned good! Sometimes he couldn't remember his own fabrications, we often wonder how much was lost.

His legacy carries on, all of my homes have had some sort of 'hidey hole). I differ in that other people know where they are.
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I wanted to install one of those giant underground utility vaults in my back yard. one would make a good bomb shelter or new home after the big one.
The biggest I ever installed was as big as a bedroom, and with a skilled escavator only takes a few hours to drop in place. Of course I never had to pay for one personally.
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Jusr remember one thing. You start selling a product to people with security issues, it just might come back to haunt you. If you're the only one who knows where something is, you just made yourself a target.
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Sean, you may borrow whatever you like. All that I ask is that if you use the document in its entirety, give me credit. Also, I will have that up on my site in a couple of days. We could back-link each other if you want. Helps both of our SEO.

Cdat, you are correct. There is a risk, however, the work I have done has been camoflaged (sp) with other work. Even with advertising, none of my records reflect what I actually did for my client other than the 'secondary' work. I suppose that someone would be able to 'get it out of me' if they really wanted to but, hey, I could step through a hole in the floor tomorrow and people will be talking about me in past tense.

Double-A, you aren't paranoid enough to think like they do. As long as paranoid people have green folding money, I don't care how weird they are. If you have a collection of very rare books, where would you hide them? Not any different than a large safe, just more accessible and a lot more intriguing.

If you stop and let your mind wander a bit, and start looking on the web for related information, you could see that there are a lot of possibilities for this type of work, even in your area. Maybe you target disaster safety, and maybe some features are just for fun. Also, some of these features become unique selling aspects of the house. Many of the security features, however, are not revealed until after the house is sold.

I think that many of us may survive this downturn only by specializing or finding niche markets.
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I think this niche is a great idea. Especially for those of us who live and work in the DC metro area. (Interesting to note that MIKE, the OP, is located in "America's Most Livable Community" according to local radio stations).

I recently worked in a residence in McLean VA that is the local home of aforeign ambassador of an Arab kingdom. The security here was tight. I imagine these types of clients (certainly have the dough) and are seeking this type of work.

One challenge that would occur in performing this type of work would be tackling all the science involved. Personally I know nothing about stress fractures in metals (safes, safe rooms, etc), or wall reinforcement requirements for a bomb shelter, or air quality control for safe rooms against biological attacks. I imagine the people who would purchase these products aren't looking for just the "cool factor" and are really concerned with their survival. In the outside chance that these types of projects would get put into use, they must work as designed. Which relates to the liability factor in others posts.

As mentioned, there is nothing in the "code book" about this type of survival construction. So how would one tackle this obstacle?
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Its a little hard to find them but there are archys and engineers who specialize in the design of these features. Personally, I would never attempt to try and design a life-saving feature myself. I don't have the expertise which is why I go to those who do. Also, some of these features are manufactured by companies who have done the science and their product (hopefully) reflect it. I concentrate on construction and installation as well as 'creative thinking'.
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There are agencies and engineers who spealize in the design of such things. Do you need me to provide some links? This may be a niche thingy here on this forum or in this country but it is a little bit more widely accepted overseas.

Which brings up an interesting concept. Any of you that do this work, interested in work in other countries? I may be able to send some work in your direction.
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I've done a few. Made a desk with a pretty large hidden compartment. Made an entertainment system that used a linear actuator to hide it in the wall, push a button and it comes out, push it again and it goes back. Also a recessed panel that swings in to provide access to some mechanicals. You could put anything in there though. Cash, guns etc. Never made a swinging bookcase or an entrance to a hidden room.



Nice going Leo , You just let the cat out of the bag............uhh, desk.
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Thanks, cdat. I am not interested in overseas work, only in my area. I would think that companies who specialize in international security construction already approach this. What's Blackwater's new name? I bet they would be a good source of information, even locally, IF you could get past the moat dragons. If you have people who participate in this area in whatever fashion, I certainly would appreciate the information either here or by PM.
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Might be a bad time for this type of business.
Since right now a bill is in the house(HR 45)to criminalize gun owners.
If you have anyone in the house under 18 years old, the government will have the right to enter your home, you show them exactly where your guns are so that they can determine that your guns are "safe" from the children.

So there would be no legal hidden compartments from the government.

Incarceration would be the penalty for noncompliance. 5 years in prison.

I just received this last night. I couldn't even sleep. I have never in my life not been able to sleep because of fear.

Copy and paste the words written below and send them to everyone you know. Call/ write your congressman. NOW.


Blair Holt Firearm Licensing
& Record of Sale Act 2-16-9

Very important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House.

This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.

We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program.

Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.

To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

·It is registered

·You are fingerprinted

·You supply a current Driver's License


·You supply your Social Security #

·You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing

·Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

·There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family - pass this along..

Peter Boyles is on this and having guests. Listen to him on K.H.O.W. 6:30 a.m. in the morning. He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends about it and "spring into action". Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle Association, hunting associations, gun clubs and especially the NRA.

This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.

This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.

If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against me. HR 45 only makes me/us less safe. After working with convicts for 26 years I know this bill, if passed, would make them happy and in less danger from their victims.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H..R.45 Then do a search on house bills and scroll down to H.B. 45

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45

Please.. copy and paste into new email and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA

More On Gun Grab HR 45 Here...

http://news.google.com/news?oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=in&ned=&q=HR+45&btnG=Search+News

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Roof-lover, a short post commenting would have been appropriate. Please don't try to hi-jack this thread no matter how important you think it is. Your post, if you are that worried, would be best under Off Topic or in the P&R section. Thanks for your participation.
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Wow, and you accused me of spam?! Anyho, here are some links of other people's approaches to this exciting new concept:
http://projectdevelopers.com/library/copperenclosures.html
http://aglobalconstruction.com/
http://www.gaffco.com/gaffco_saferooms.htm
http://www.randrbuildersllc.com/saferoom.htm
http://www.americansaferoom.com/Safe-Cell-home-apartment-installations.htm
http://www.saferoom.com/
http://www.safezoneballistics.com/products/vipHouses.html?gclid=CJ-P-_Pi_JgCFQKHxwodRDVpng
http://www.lowryconst.com/saferoom.htm
http://www.stormsaferoom.com/aboveground/index.htm


I really like how they can sell it off as a tornado shelter. That would be an added selling point I think...
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Roof-lover, a short post commenting would have been appropriate. Please don't try to hi-jack this thread no matter how important you think it is. Your post, if you are that worried, would be best under Off Topic or in the P&R section. Thanks for your participation.
I am not trying to hijack a thread.
I am directly talking about the subject at hand.
With this bill in the house right now you would not be able to hide your guns. It would be against the law.

I guess these hidey holes are great as long as you are not putting guns inside them OR You show the government exactly where your hidey hole is at.

Are you saying that my posting this here does not apply directly to the subject ?

Im sorry to have offended you.
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Roof-lover, you didn't offend me at all. The information does have some relevence however, reading through all the past posts, you would realize that there is more to this work than just hidey holes for guns. I guess my problem was you posting a whole 'cut and paste' article rather than a link to relevent subject matter.

I don't see anything there that says you can't hide them just that you have to reveal that place to inspectors, not the general public. BTW, I am not in favor of this legislation at all, but many times our job is to develop 'work-arounds' to this kind of stuff.
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Sean, you may borrow whatever you like. All that I ask is that if you use the document in its entirety, give me credit. Also, I will have that up on my site in a couple of days. We could back-link each other if you want. Helps both of our SEO.
Thanks & giving credit is not a problem, I just might throw the link in an upcoming article (once you get your page up). Back links, there is a thread on it with a whole group of us doing this. I will get a link up for you probably within the next few days which will be found here http://www.sls-construction.com/Assoc.htm

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