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Old 01-28-2011, 11:08 AM   #1
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Hi guys, I'm an industrial design student at the University of Cincinnati and I'm designing a future framing nailer. It would be very helpful to me if you guys took my survey. Please click on each one of the below links, there are a total of 25 questions.


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Old 01-29-2011, 10:46 AM   #2
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Take a real good look at the "Hitachi NR83A" it's almost perfect. The Japaneses got it right 25 years ago and are about the only manufacturer that hasn't had to make major design changes over that time.

Just get rid of that enclosed safety area at the nose of the gun, I still like to pull my spring and shoot "hang nails" one handed

The only way this gun could get any better is if it was nuclear powered and never had to be refilled or recharged.

Oh, and your links don't appear to be working.

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Old 01-29-2011, 11:18 AM   #3
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I don't know about elsewhere, but here we get 2-1/2" wide i-joist. The damned joist hook on every gun we have is too small to fit without struggling. It would be awesome to have a hook that had a 3" clearance so it would hook on nicely.
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Make it 1/2 the weight and it would do well.
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If it could hold a cold beer, or flask of whiskey, that would be awesome.
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Ultimate framing gun....

1. Built in auto oiler

2. On board pressure regulator

3. Reversable 2.5" wide rafter/joist hook

4. Adjustable exhaust port

5. Sequential trip/bounce fire selection

6. Quick change nosepiece with depth adjustment capability and nail jam release

7. "Hammer Head" cap for aligning material

8. Convertible to positive placement gun
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I still like to pull my spring and shoot "hang nails" one handed .
When new guys show up on the job site,,I hate to say it but they are quickly judged by do they use a spring or not???
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...6. Quick change nosepiece with depth adjustment capability and nail jam release
Are you referring to a nosepiece that will convert it to a PP nailer?

If not, add that capability.
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Are you referring to a nosepiece that will convert it to a PP nailer?

If not, add that capability.
Thanks for that, I'll edit it in.
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Wow, an ID guy. I haven't heard that on this forum.

I got my BFA in ID from U of I Chicago in 91'. That was my first career. I had fun with it. Try to get a job with a consulting firm when you get out. It'll give you a better variety of products to do. I helped out with some cordless drill design about 12 years ago. A lot of fun.

My one word of advice. Keep it realistic. I saw soooo many really cool designs die before going to production over something as simple as a plastic washer that cost 5 cents more than a metal one.

I look forward to your survey. Good place to come for advice on this project. Keep us informed and post a picture of a rendering or model if you get a chance. It'll look good in your portfolio if you have it on a nationally recognized site like this.
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A friend of mine from San Diego came out to Colorado to lend me a hand when I was framing our home there. He brought me an aftermarket flush nailing attachment that were available there at the time. I have not seen one like it since but I am sure there must be a bunch of them somewhere.

I works great. But if it was a flush nailing on one side and positive placement on the other, you would have something.

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Anyone that knows this gun knows what I'm showing here. I can't imagine using a gun that didn't have the quick and easy ability to do this.

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A friend of mine from San Diego came out to Colorado to lend me a hand when I was framing our home there. He brought me an aftermarket flush nailing attachment that were available there at the time. I have not seen one like it since but I am sure there must be a bunch of them somewhere.

I works great. But if it was a flush nailing on one side and positive placement on the other, you would have something.

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Anyone that knows this gun knows what I'm showing here. I can't imagine using a gun that didn't have the quick and easy ability to do this.

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I have an old Paslode Poweremaster with that same attachment for depth adjustment. It worked pretty good for sheathing. I don't like setting the heads in OSB, for obvious reasons.

As far as the last pic, I don't recommend using that method of operation.
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I have an old Paslode Poweremaster with that same attachment for depth adjustment. It worked pretty good for sheathing. I don't like setting the heads in OSB, for obvious reasons.
Well of course you do. The only surprise is that you hint to the notion you only have one.

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As far as the last pic, I don't recommend using that method of operation.
Besides the black finger nail you get if you bang the safety on something, what do you object to? Certainly not popping in a coat hook.
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for cordless i like the paslode cf325. i wonder why we cant get the paslode im90i here in the usa though.

i like the power from the dewalt air framers, and like their tool-less depth adjustment and magazine removal.
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Ultimate framing gun....

1. Built in auto oiler

2. On board pressure regulator

3. Reversable 2.5" wide rafter/joist hook

4. Adjustable exhaust port

5. Sequential trip/bounce fire selection

6. Quick change nosepiece with depth adjustment capability and nail jam release

7. "Hammer Head" cap for aligning material

8. Convertible to positive placement gun
couldnt agree more with this but i cant imagine that lasting a week or even a day on the job hahaha make all those indestructable and you have it right
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Besides the black finger nail you get if you bang the safety on something, what do you object to? Certainly not popping in a coat hook.
I have fired guys for "popping in a coat hook", because it's usually at the perfect height to tear a hole in my arm when they leave it there after they put their coat back on.

One of my peeves is nails hanging out of walls or protruding through the back of jack/king combos. My wall parts are made up in advance and I buy 3" nails specifically for make-up. There's no reason to rip flesh open on protruding fasteners, ever. I also stack nails over studs on double plates because I have friends who are plumbers and electricians.
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I hear ya on the coat hook thing. I keep an eye out for em and pull em whenever I see em.

Can we make this gun quieter while were at it?
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... I also stack nails over studs on double plates because I have friends who are plumbers and electricians.
Bless your heart. As I am a builder and electrician, I hire and pay the framer. For years, I never encountered a nail mid-span in the top and cap plates between studs. Or, if I did, it was with a nail-eater 3/4" bit and it really didn't anything any worse than a hard knot. But when I hit a 12d gun nail (driven at an angle so it didn't protrude through the bottom of the top plate) with a 2-1/2" plumber's bit attatched to a Milwaukee Hole Hawg, I lost it. After I got loose from it and the feeling came back to my hand where it got jambed between the Hole Hawg and a stud, I went looking for the framer. Gee, I thought I could trust a carpenter named Jesus......
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...One of my peeves is nails hanging out of walls or protruding through the back of jack/king combos. My wall parts are made up in advance and I buy 3" nails specifically for make-up.
I don't do all that much framing but when I do, I just angle the nails enough to keep them from protruding. I never really thought about it much. Does this violate some code? I've never had an inspector notice. With a clipped-head nail, it is less noticeable than a full head would be (I think).

Thanks for looking out for the other trades. I mean, you already stated that you stack the nails over the studs when nailing the cap plate. But your practice of preventing 1/4"-3/8" nail tips protruding at jack/king combos also benefits the insulation installer and others.

Years ago, my regular framers were of German descent by way of Canada (I don't know if that had anything to do with their methods). Anyway, they always asked for a box of 16d sinkers for the cap plates as they would rather hand nail those rather than risk damage to their nailers by hitting the head of the nail driven through the top plate to the stud. Many years ago my dad was helping me do some framing and accidently didn't flip the crown on a cap plate to offset a slight bow in the top plate. That's when I learned how hard it was to pull those puppies out.
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Ultimate framing gun....

1. Built in auto oiler

2. On board pressure regulator

3. Reversable 2.5" wide rafter/joist hook

4. Adjustable exhaust port

5. Sequential trip/bounce fire selection

6. Quick change nosepiece with depth adjustment capability and nail jam release

7. "Hammer Head" cap for aligning material

8. Convertible to positive placement gun
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