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Old 10-30-2014, 09:34 AM   #1
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Compensation For Driving


I am familiar with some typical practices, but find myself driving 80-90 miles with $5-$9 in toll charges to get to and from the job, with the occasional material run or job related running ground.

The drive involves traffic-I dislike traffic, but 60-70 minutes is sometimes involved. They hourly pay is "good", but upkeep on a 8500lb stocked Sprinter has to be taken into account.

How have you seen this fairly compensated in the past?
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Old 10-30-2014, 09:45 AM   #2
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We are doing $.50 a mile, anything during the day is also on the clock. The guys both use there own vehicles and our jobs can be over 100 miles a day for them.

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They ride in a company truck, if they don't want to ride in a company truck its on them.
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Anything over about 30 miles I will give them an extra 1/2 hour for the drive. If they travel from one job to another during the day, they get the irs mileage rate and also get their hourly rate. Rarely does anyone drive between jobs other than me.
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An employee must be compensated for all hours worked. Your boss can't send you 3 1/2 hours each way, have you work an hour and not pay you for 8. It's a bosses' cost of doing business to calculate the cost of manning a job and it ain't rocket science.
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That is not true at all. The employer must pay for drive time in between jobs during the day, but to and from the worksite is on the employee. Now if they meet at the shop and work, say loading a counter top/etc., then the drive to the jobsite from the shop must be paid.
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That is not true at all. The employer must pay for drive time in between jobs during the day, but to and from the worksite is on the employee. Now if they meet at the shop and work, say loading a counter top/etc., then the drive to the jobsite from the shop must be paid.
That is also my understanding of it.
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72Chevy - you're in Texas now. Driving 80-90 miles is just a normal trip down the road...
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But if you're an employee using you personal truck FOR WORK, and not just to get you to the jobsite, you should be compensated. And if you're required to go to the shop first all time after leaving the shop should be on the clock.
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So then how do you handle guys who are allowed to take company trucks home?

Do they start to get paid right once they claim they leave their house in the morning?
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Moved to TX i see. I remember you saying something about moving but i never saw where.
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So then how do you handle guys who are allowed to take company trucks home?

Do they start to get paid right once they claim they leave their house in the morning?
I was always paid, and have always paid from the time at the first job.
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I was always salary since the day i graduated from college. But others i know the clock starts when you get to the job, unless its more than a certain distance.
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That is not true at all. The employer must pay for drive time in between jobs during the day, but to and from the worksite is on the employee. Now if they meet at the shop and work, say loading a counter top/etc., then the drive to the jobsite from the shop must be paid.
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You hire me to do a job at a certain rate of pay. You require me to drive a fully stocked van at 19 mpg 3 1/2 hours, work an hour, and return home because you won't pay for hotel and meals. You're paying me for an hour a day and I've got fuel and wear and tear in addition to uncompensated time. How long do you think I'm gonna do this?
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I go straight to the site and go on the clock when I leave the house. Everyone else goes on the clock when they get to the shop in the am.
The trip to the site is paid. The ride home is not unless you stop at the shop on the way back.
The company trucks stay at the shop overnight. If you take a company truck you punch out when the truck is in the yard, emptied and the contents are properly put away.
The lead guys use our personal trucks and far to many of our larger personal tools . We dont pay for any gas during the week. Gotta love the speed pass.

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In my book, hourly pay is from punch in to punch out. If you meet at the job that's punch in, if you go to the shop, that's punch in. That's also the law. If the guys were going more than 45 minutes away to work, I'd chip in one way for labor. Below that, I don't care as they certainly don't cut me a break on the jobs that are 5 minutes from their house.

If you have to drive a stocked van then I'd say the company should be covering the expense of the van aka. mileage.
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How long do you think I'm gonna do this?
Obviously that's up to you. Has nothing to do with what the gummint requires.
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I am familiar with some typical practices, but find myself driving 80-90 miles with $5-$9 in toll charges to get to and from the job, with the occasional material run or job related running ground.

The drive involves traffic-I dislike traffic, but 60-70 minutes is sometimes involved. They hourly pay is "good", but upkeep on a 8500lb stocked Sprinter has to be taken into account.

How have you seen this fairly compensated in the past?
80-90 miles and it involves 60-70 minutes?
What are you complaining about??

My typical drive is 20 miles and involves 60 mins.
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the day starts at the jobsite and ends at the jobsite......unless you start out at the company shop i dont think you should be paid anything....its not your bosses fault you live too far away from the jobsite.........

now if this jobsite is waaay out of the companies normal work zone i would expect some extra pay.....when i work far away from home i always add 1 hour+ per day onto the bid + some gas....and i give it to my employee also.....for me 30-45 mins to get to a jobsite is normal.....90 minutes id consider extreme and charge more to the customer

it all depends on how close you live to your companies work zone
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This is one area of my business that I need to gain control of. Typically the guys get their 8 regardless of how far they have to go and if they ask me for gas money for the long distances, I'll give it to them without any reservation.

Right now their attitude is basically that they make good money and driving 50-60 miles each way is justified by the cost of being employed. I get that. But I think that I charge enough on my projects nowadays to where I can pay them a little more fairly. If they go out the door at 6AM and they don't get back home until 5, I have to start factoring in the travel time on the way to the jobsite.

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