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Old 05-13-2014, 07:38 PM   #61
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Please tell me these 5, 6 7 page contracts that don't include SOW are in jot form and not in legalese
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Canada is nowhere near as litigious as the US. our judges have important golf games to play. they don't have time for this sort of stuff
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Please tell me these 5, 6 7 page contracts that don't include SOW are in jot form and not in legalese
Mine's pretty clear. It just nails down the SOW, the payment schedule, owner's responsibilities, builder's responsibilities, contract cancellation, warranty and lien rights.

It is in a pretty big font.
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Ok, i was thinking 5 pages of legal document type stuff.

I do some work for the federal gov't and their contracts for this type of stuff is 1 page front and back, but all legalese. It doesn't really say too much except start date, projection completion date, brief description of the job, contract # parties involved and that the queen cannot be held liable for anything.

The SOW if its a larger job can be a couple dozen pages, mostly specs and things and lots of specs that don't even pertain to the project. but the actual contract is 1 page front and back, maybe 7 paragraphs each side
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......the queen cannot be held liable for anything. ..........
For the rest of us worker drones, we need 6-12 page contracts.
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CCDC is 33 pages long...and I've signed plenty and never read one word for word. You can't change them, it is the one architects here use.

If I use my own contract, it is 6 pages long, the legal part is 3 sentences which more or less state that the laws of the province of Ontario are governing this contract.

Oh, and if I take a deposit, it's not until the day we start on the project.
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I think the information we gave him was a little to much.....


1-post, I shouldn't laugh...I think he is trying to find funds write about now.....
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CCDC is 33 pages long...and I've signed plenty and never read one word for word. You can't change them, it is the one architects here use.

If I use my own contract, it is 6 pages long, the legal part is 3 sentences which more or less state that the laws of the province of Ontario are governing this contract.

Oh, and if I take a deposit, it's not until the day we start on the project.
U.S. Federal contracts, even for the smallest job, include hundreds of pages of stuff. Some bidders print it all out and send it in in bound volumes (even for a $20K) job. Others just include by reference. The purpose of all the language is to protect you from being paid too quickly.
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The lack of a proper effort or reasonable attempt at a competent contract is hard to overcome.

Even of you failed at getting a suitable agreement initially, attempt to work out a written, signed settlement agreement by writing up an agreement that deducts the cost of materials, markup, time, delivery of materials and other appropriate expenses.

If they refuse to sign it, I would offer to deliver materials in exchange for a signed receipt for materials and the portion of the deposit left after deductions and send the rest back with an explanation and have the materials delivered on signature.

If they refuse that as well, let them know those offers will be the basis of any defense you need to provide and ask them to reconsider.

Then write a letter that the materials will be stored for 30 days and then sold or disposed of if not picked up by a specified date and then get rid of them, deduct the proceeds from your deductions and send the balance back.

I do not assume the OP spent the money but if this is the case it doesn't change the proper amount due back to the customer.

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One and done poster that is offline? Who cares?
It's more about the conversation. It's just like real life. The person who started it doesn't have to stick around to finish it. That's when I say who cares? Who cares that the OP isn't around. If you are bored or don't see the need to participate in the conversation troll elsewhere.
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It's also not like it was months or even weeks ago, it was just yesterday. Some guys don't check back for a few days. It's called being busy.
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It's more about the conversation. It's just like real life. The person who started it doesn't have to stick around to finish it. That's when I say who cares? Who cares that the OP isn't around. If you are bored or don't see the need to participate in the conversation
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TNT,
Come on...

You have to admit,...

How many times have we seen this,,,,,,,,,,


If he shows back up...so be it.....


It is what it is....it's nothing personal....he improperly aligned himself with positive cash flow that now has a giant sucking sound attached to it....


It is what it is....
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Yes sarcastic douche nozzle thank you for schooling me on the finer points of forum participation. LOL. I edited the whole phucking post and got two thanks to your cmon. Chiil

I didn't have the heart at first to answer a one hit wonder homeowner special that doesn't give a **** but I changed my mind. Can you forgive me now?

You don't get that kind of quality from a phucking troll. Hahaha

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The lack of a proper effort or reasonable attempt at a competent contract is hard to overcome.
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Especially if you are a housewife pretending to be a contractor. You may want to go over to the DIY forum and get some information. You're a troll! Bye Bye.
Even of you failed at getting a suitable agreement initially, attempt to work out a written, signed settlement agreement by writing up an agreement that deducts the cost of materials, markup, time, delivery of materials and other appropriate expenses.

If they refuse to sign it, I would offer to deliver materials in exchange for a signed receipt for materials and the portion of the deposit left after deductions and send the rest back with an explanation and have the materials delivered on signature.

If they refuse that as well, let them know those offers will be the basis of any defense you need to provide and ask them to reconsider.

Then write a letter that the materials will be stored for 30 days and then sold or disposed of if not picked up by a specified date and then get rid of them, deduct the proceeds from your deductions and send the balance back.

I do not assume the OP spent the money but if this is the case it doesn't change the proper amount due back to the customer.
I tweaked your post a little for clarity Did I do OK?
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Brown Bag Lunch?

Landscaper ?

Housewife who needs to go away.
Yeah, I'll care what you think when you put more than 200 post a year into this place.
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TNT,
Come on...

You have to admit,...

How many times have we seen this,,,,,,,,,,


If he shows back up...so be it.....


It is what it is....it's nothing personal....he improperly aligned himself with positive cash flow that now has a giant sucking sound attached to it....


It is what it is....
Not a whole lot after just a day. Maybe a few weeks to a month sure, but calling them a one and done after a day is just being a DB.

And who really cares. It's about the conversation not the OP.
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Yes sarcastic douche nozzle thank you for schooling me on the finer points of forum participation. LOL. I edited the whole phucking post and got two thanks to your cmon. Chiil

I didn't have the heart at first to answer a one hit wonder homeowner special that doesn't give a **** but I changed my mind. Can you forgive me now?

You don't get that kind of quality from a phucking troll. Hahaha
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