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Old 02-16-2014, 05:22 PM   #41
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He asked for advances. So I should give him money, and not take it out of his check? I've never in my life deducted money from a pay check for someone making a mistake. My company makes the profits, and takes the losses like it should. I think I've made that very clear on this forum what I think about people that charge people for broken tools and mistakes. So please don't accuse me of being like all these scum bag hacks, thanks
Ah yes the guy that's always in debt, that's annoying.

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Old 02-16-2014, 06:43 PM   #42
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You better move on "disenchantedsub". No good can come from this clown you are working for.
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The last guy I worked for got like that at the end. He was paying us 100 a week and getting us the balance later. That lasted for about two weeks until we came in one morning and he wa so excited to show us the new shaper he bought over the weekend, but still couldn't pay us.

I went out on my own the next week. Now he's out of business I hear.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:11 PM   #44
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I've always gotten paid eventually, it just sucks having to wait. I could understand if we were scraping by as a company, but we did about 2mil gross last year as a three man company (boss works mabey 15 hours in field weekly) High end remodeling and new construction. I make about 40k yr, I feel like my check should be there on pay day. I make less at my second job, but it's direct deposit :-) Well got to get my nose back in the IBC, test in 2 weeks!
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The last guy I worked for got like that at the end. He was paying us 100 a week and getting us the balance later. That lasted for about two weeks until we came in one morning and he wa so excited to show us the new shaper he bought over the weekend, but still couldn't pay us.

I went out on my own the next week. Now he's out of business I hear.
haha I worked for a framer for a while and he was constantly broke. On our way home he'd be stopping by the GC's office and saying they were supposed to leave a check and never did. He owed me two weeks at one point and I was hanging out with one of his daughters over the weekend and she was telling me about the new leather living room set he just bought and the big screen TV. I got my money the next week, said thank and walked off the job. I am very sympathetic to honest people, lie to me once and I will leave you short handed trying to put up 20' rafters by yourself when you have a 4 month back log of work and can't get anyone else to work for you.
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haha I worked for a framer for a while and he was constantly broke. On our way home he'd be stopping by the GC's office and saying they were supposed to leave a check and never did. He owed me two weeks at one point and I was hanging out with one of his daughters over the weekend and she was telling me about the new leather living room set he just bought and the big screen TV. I got my money the next week, said thank and walked off the job. I am very sympathetic to honest people, lie to me once and I will leave you short handed trying to put up 20' rafters by yourself when you have a 4 month back log of work and can't get anyone else to work for you.

Hopefully you got her to pay your aggravation fee.

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LOL she made it worth it and said there would be no hard feelings if I left him high and dry as long as I didn't do the same to her
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Had the same issues, several times. 1st one was my first job as a woodworker. I started out in the field doing BS work and in a few months got into the shop. After about 5 years he must have run into a rough patch or was spending more money than he could afford.

He got 6 weeks behind when I finally told him enough, pay me. Working for him drained my bank account. He asked how much it would take for me to stay. I told him all of it and then a steady paycheck. He offered me some money and told me he wouldn't let me quit. I always wondered how he planned on doing that. I found another job at another shop. I stuck the state on him and got my money, 1/2 pay for 12 weeks.

The next guy was a work of art. I was there for 8 months. His brother and partner quit 2 months before I did. After that I was the punching bag. F that. Found another job, I was to run the place. This guy would come in every day with stop watches and notepads trying to make his shop more efficient. He would time one operation from beginning to end and then assume that's the way it would go day in and out. Not figuring breaks and other slow downs. Then he would rearange the shop again and again every other day until I had had it. He was trying to make things faster by changing the way we did things every other day. So everyone was always lost in their tasks. I told him to stay out of my shop. He argued with me that it was his shop. I told him in no uncertain terms that he wasn't allowed to come onto the floor of the shop unless I told him he could.

Amazingly he obeyed for a few weeks. One of the things he didn't mention to anyone was he was up to his eyeballs in debt and making poor deals with companies to just get the business. Went to work one day and the doors were shut. At least I got my tools out before. I got my social security report that year only to find out he didn't pay into my fund, but of course he was taking out of my check. Bastid.

Then I got another job in a shop and it went well. Up until the point when they laid everyone off without notice. I found a kitchen to make and about 1/2 way through they called me back/ Told them I was busy but if they wanted I could work 1/2 days for them. I did that for a week and they pulled me in and told me that I had to either work for them full time or that was it. I said OK. He said see you on Monday. And I asked him why he thought that? He gave me an ultimatum about me or him. And did I mention that he started the company up with a new name, wanted me to apply as a new employee and all my sick days and vacation time were reset to zero. No thanks.

He told me that it would be a big inconvenience to him. Awww..to F'n bad. Like it wasn't a big inconvenience to me to go from 4 bills a week to 150 from UI minus my earnings on the kitchen.

At that point I decided I was on my own. Got a job as a sub from a guy that worked at the 1st company with me. Worked my way from using his shop to renting it to moving into the shop I'm at now.

At times it's hard and I'm glad I have a wife with a paycheck. But if I don't get a paycheck I know who to blame now.
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Looks to me like you were being a nice guy by loaning him money. I've had the same issues, once you loan them money it becomes an ongoing problem, they spend their whole check on paying you back and end up perpetuating the problem.
I've had guys making good money that could never catch up, and guys making near minimum wage that always had cash.

But like you said it becomes an ongoing problem. I don't mind really but it does make you feel like an enabler.
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When i took on my first employee last year i made the decision then to use my accountant to do payroll, i just call in the hours every two weeks. I knew i didn't have the discipline to do it on time every time.
My employee works hard for me and the very least i can do it pay him in full every pay day. All subs get paid in full every time.
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It's Monday so "next week" is here.
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I've had guys making good money that could never catch up, and guys making near minimum wage that always had cash.

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I talked to tradesman not long ago that had one of his helpers ask him if he had a safe deposit box..The boss said yeah . Why? The helper said he had some cash that he didn't want to put in the bank. The boss told him to bring with you tomorrow and we'll take it to the bank.
The next day the boss asked him if he brought the cash with him...He said yeah it's under my seat .. It was $35.000 Money he had saved from doing side jobs. The boss said WTF man!! I met the helper a few times ..He is one hard working sob!!!
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I talked to tradesman not long ago that had one of his helpers ask him if he had a safe deposit box..The boss said yeah . Why? The helper said he had some cash that he didn't want to put in the bank. The boss told him to bring with you tomorrow and we'll take it to the bank.
The next day the boss asked him if he brought the cash with him...He said yeah it's under my seat .. It was $35.000 Money he had saved from doing side jobs. The boss said WTF man!! I met the helper a few times ..He is one hard working sob!!!
I'd have to REALLLLLLY trust someone to put MY $35,000 in THEIR safe deposit box.

And by the way, I've never trusted anyone outside my family that much.
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I'd have to REALLLLLLY trust someone to put MY $35,000 in THEIR safe deposit box.

And by the way, I've never trusted anyone outside my family that much.
I don't even trust my family that much Next thing you know you ask for your money back and you're told some is missing and replaced with IOUs but they swear they will pay it back over time
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I talked to tradesman not long ago that had one of his helpers ask him if he had a safe deposit box..The boss said yeah . Why? The helper said he had some cash that he didn't want to put in the bank. The boss told him to bring with you tomorrow and we'll take it to the bank.
The next day the boss asked him if he brought the cash with him...He said yeah it's under my seat .. It was $35.000 Money he had saved from doing side jobs. The boss said WTF man!! I met the helper a few times ..He is one hard working sob!!!
Sounds like a b.s story or he was a heck of a trusting soul. Then again, if he got wind that somebody was angling for it, and he couldn't get his own box, maybe...

There was a family in Philly that sold Italian water ice for years. They got clipped for something like 350K from the house.
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Can I get you next week? Sure, if you pay all the late fees, and payday loans fees I will have to incur (assuming you have no savings) to live...

That should be a couple hundred.... I am OK with next week if you are OK with paying me the extra couple of hundred, otherwise, might I suggest YOU get the payday loan or overdraft loan from the bank and pay me...
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I was 27 when I went off on my own. At 28 I had 6 employees and was making pretty good money. My bills were due with my supplier so I paid it still leaving some spending money in the bank for me and the employees. Come pay day I get a call from the bank that a check I deposited from a customer bounced. Well crap. At least I just got a first draw from a job to help me along until I remembered the bank put a 3 day hold on it so it wouldn't be available until Monday. I ran up to the bank real quick and luckily I had the credit to borrow enough to make it through payday.

Ever since then I make sure to have extra in the bank for a month or two just for pay day because you never know.
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The reason for this is usually a lack of discipline by thd contractor. I have a little sympathy for a guy who just started and is a couple days late, I was fortunate I had an excellent mentor who taught me at young age the most important thing a contractor could have is cash in the bank. More important than your house, truck, wifes car, whatever. You get nice stuff after you build up a big reserve.

Its actually a double reserve. We both have an equal amount of cash in our company that doesnt leave the company as a profit. Its what we start at on Jan 1 every year. It doesnt matter how bad It gets, we may not get a check, but everyone else will. Besides the reserve we have a line of credit and supply accounts. If I cashed out I could almost pay my house off, although it isnt a great house. Lol

The next reserve ( which I havent built much in yet) is personal. Enough cash to buy a flip house or build a spec, buy a lot when I see a good deal, or a rent house. Thats how you stay self employed, by having cash. Its also how to build a rep among subs, prospective employees, suppliers and clients.

Thats how I see it anyway. Then I will build a nice house. Business first is how I was taught, and the way I do business.
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Even if I didn't have cash in my business, which is no different then me having cash. I have plenty of personal cash to cover everything. If I was that low there is a huge problem to begin with. I front my business money all the time, I trust Myself to pay it back. My bookkeeper writes it down as an owners contribution. That way it doesn't get seem as income to the business. You can do that chit as a sole proprietor.
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Sounds like a b.s story or he was a heck of a trusting soul. Then again, if he got wind that somebody was angling for it, and he couldn't get his own box, maybe...

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Just telling the story the way he told me. BTW..The helper was Spanish.

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