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Old 11-19-2009, 07:02 PM   #21
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No one is required to learn another language. Some people are just not interested or too proud to learn.

It is just a business decision to be more effective and efficient.

My 10 year old grand-daughter can speak and understand more Spanish than me (suburban MSP.MN public elementary school that is 95%+ American caucasian), but I still survive (get by) a lot easier with a little bit of background.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:09 PM   #22
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It Atlanta spanish comes in handy. Seems like if you're going to do anything with masonry or landscaping, you need to be able to speak spanish to get your point across.

I've got a brother that recently moved to Norway. Before he could get a work visa over there, he had to take 300 hours of Norwegian. I think that's a pretty good idea. Welcome to our country. If you'd like to be a part of our society, learn our language.
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Anyone want to take a shot at who said this?

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"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Personally I have mixed views about this topic, but mostly to the side of illegals are illegal, plain and simple. However, refusing or resisting learning a language solely on the fact that it is tied to reluctantly giving in to the illegal situation is shortsighted.

Learn another language because you WANT to, not because you HAVE to. This is America, it still is English speaking the last I looked. The omission of every other language on the side of consumables is IMO, the most humiliating. Why not French? Portuguese? Italian? Russian? Chinese? German?

I have a limited Spanish vocabulary, but it interests me to learn the language more. Not for business, but personally. I feel it contributes to me being a lifelong learner, regardless of the illegal problem.

This topic could easily get out of hand and cross into the P&R section, so it may get moved based on how this thread goes.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:52 PM   #24
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Sounds like Roosevelt.
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I was stationed in Germany twice. Each time, I had to take 40 hours of German customs and language classes before being allowed to leave the post. I was also required to take a written test showing I could ID all their traffic signs before being allowed to drive ANY vehicle in their country.
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If you do not have a second language you are operating with a handicap.

More and more people in the U.S. speak Spanish, so this makes Spanish the logical choice.

The reason I say you are at a disadvantage is that the Spanish speaking people have two languages to speak in OR understand. Many customers may appreciate that you have some ability to recognize their language. You can also understand what any employees may be saying in Spanish, although many employers do not tip them off to understanding unless it is necessary. With only one language you can only hear part of what is said or meant, while a person with two languages has a big leg up on you from a selling or supervising/management standpoint.

It is not expensive to learn conversational languages. There are great cheap programs that allow you to listen and talk to an interactive program (usually less than $100 per language including headphones/microphone that also work for listening to music). You go it alone at your pace, so if you are not motivated, you can drag it out. You hear the language, find out what it means and then try it yourself. No memorizing (really). I have found that doing it for 15 minutes every day or two makes it easier than going heavy one day a week and forgetting about what you absorbed from a week ago. You also will get some very familiar words that quickly stick in your mind and even make it easy to wade through. Rosetta stone is good and you can get deals on it. I used Transparent Russian, Transparent Chinese, Transparent German and Transparent Spanish. I am nor fluent in any of those, but I could get by and find a toilet, but I did have a better idea of what was going on.

I traveled in 37 countries and found it very valuable to know (closely) what the locals were saying in their language. Often it is used instead of whispering in English (or American). I only tried to speak the language when absolutely necessary, unless I knew the people that I was with quite well.

India is not a problem, since most people speak English (not American), so it take a while to get comfortable. The official language in Hindi, but very often speak people do not speak that, so they got to the Queen's English.

It is always entertaining to visit a job site and have an idea of what everyone was saying in their language.

India is not a problem, since most people speak English (not American), so it take a while to get comfortable. The official language in Hindi, but very often speak people do not speak that, so they got to the Queen's English.
Let me get this straight. If I don't have a second language I am operating with a handicap ? Uh... I have never went to bid a job where I needed a translator. And I could give a rats azz about the practices in India. Allthough that was very informative. What happened to speak english or go home?

In the 80's when I lived in AZ. I received a utility bill that stated due to the fact that they had to print in english and now also had to print in spanish that my rates were going up .85%.

Actually, It would be nice to be bilingual. Or 37 lingual or how about you just STFU. Coming on an American Construction Site and saying this s*** to me is plain WRONG.

Yeah I should learn spanish so they understand what I'm saying when my boot is going up their AZZ.

Yeah, your right Framerman............ Get em outta here !!!
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Anyone want to take a shot at who said this?



Personally I have mixed views about this topic, but mostly to the side of illegals are illegal, plain and simple. However, refusing or resisting learning a language solely on the fact that it is tied to reluctantly giving in to the illegal situation is shortsighted.

Learn another language because you WANT to, not because you HAVE to. This is America, it still is English speaking the last I looked. The omission of every other language on the side of consumables is IMO, the most humiliating. Why not French? Portuguese? Italian? Russian? Chinese? German?

I have a limited Spanish vocabulary, but it interests me to learn the language more. Not for business, but personally. I feel it contributes to me being a lifelong learner, regardless of the illegal problem.

This topic could easily get out of hand and cross into the P&R section, so it may get moved based on how this thread goes.

I don't know who said it but it just feels right looking at John F'n Wayne as I read it.
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English, the language of success.

SPEAK IT.
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Let me get this straight. If I don't have a second language I am operating with a handicap ? Uh... I have never went to bid a job where I needed a translator. And I could give a rats azz about the practices in India. Allthough that was very informative. What happened to speak english or go home?

In the 80's when I lived in AZ. I received a utility bill that stated due to the fact that they had to print in english and now also had to print in spanish that my rates were going up .85%.

Actually, It would be nice to be bilingual. Or 37 lingual or how about you just STFU. Coming on an American Construction Site and saying this s*** to me is plain WRONG.

Yeah I should learn spanish so they understand what I'm saying when my boot is going up their AZZ.

Yeah, your right Framerman............ Get em outta here !!!
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I agree 100000000% with you. It rattles my nerves as well when I am standing in the contractor check out line at the HD and EVERYONE else is speaking in foreign tongues. (possibly working on jobs that I have quoted and lost to hacks)
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It rattles my nerves as well when I am standing in the contractor check out line at the HD and EVERYONE else is speaking in foreign tongues. (possibly working on jobs that I have quoted and lost to hacks)

It's not just at HD. A couple of weeks ago I was at an Illinois Brick yard in Des Plaines. As soon as I pulled in I noticed all the freakin signs were in Polish! The people working the showroom were talking in Polish to the customers. When it came my turn to be waited on, I asked the guy, in Russian, if he or anyone else there spoke Russian.
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Hablo español y ahora gano más dinero.
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We expect any other imigrant to speak english WHY NOT THE HISPANICS?

Press 1 for english my a55!

Im just waiting for them all to get here then Im taking my retirment money and moving to MEXICO , I'll be just down the beech from Sammy Hagar
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everyone needs to keep in mind that since the begining the trades have attracted the minorities as well as the recent immigrants. All you have to do is work hard and stay focused and you can climb the ladder to sucess.

Here we get alot of eastern european (with lots of rumors that so and so was some body is some army in the 1990's running around killing people) As well as lots of mexicans. Many people open their mouth about immigration. But when I ask them if they've ever been to work and have been the only guy to speak english they stop talking. It hasn't happened to me since the spring, but let me tell you when your the only white boy hanging out with five other mexicans, you pick up spanish pretty quick. I can eaither biatch about it or collect a check. The choice is mine.

The funny thing is most people have to go on a "business trip" to get that kind of diversity. I just have to show up in the morning.
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Hablo español y ahora gano más dinero.
Don't have the balls to say it in english ?

This reminds me of my days in AZ. too. Mexicans would be speaking in english untill someone entered the area. Then they went to spanish.
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I speak french, comes in handy when I deal with french people. Ottawa = Border of Quebec and Ontario. Ontario = English Quebec = French

Not many spanish people here, plenty of Chinese and East Indian.
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I speak french, comes in handy when I deal with french people. Ottawa = Border of Quebec and Ontario. Ontario = English Quebec = French

Not many spanish people here, plenty of Chinese and East Indian.
French is a beautiful language. I've been to France many times, if someone told me we were all going to have to speak French, I'd be very happy.
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Hablo español y ahora gano más dinero.
So do I... but not all that much to fret about.
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There are some Latinos on our crew, they all speak English and Spanish. Same for almost all of the subcontractors we work with. People who don't speak English aren't going to get a job working in high end residential construction around here.

That being said, I think it's a great opportunity to practice Spanish. It's like being in an immersion program, right here at home. Then when I go back to visit my dad's shop in Oklahoma where people come in who don't speak English, I can translate for him, help him make more money, and ease the frustration.

Why not learn it if you have the chance? Just one more tool to have in your belt.
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Mi chica es muy caliente!



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Thinking about this... I'm all for learning new things everyday but it should not be a priority for me to learn a new language if I have no intention of ever leaving my country.
Don't legal immigrants have to take a test on english before becoming citizens?
I have a hard time with accents at times .......




I have a hard time with translations because they sound so formal and not the way someone would speak normally.
I guess it goes both ways ?-english english-?
I have a customer who is very italian but speaks perfect english......
She was playing with different doormats one day in a foyer I tiled and said "this one is "super abundant!" who talks that way??

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