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Old 08-14-2019, 06:35 AM   #1
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As many of you know, I am building out a neighborhood of spec homes....small, affordable plans.....and we have sold 2, and at the closing on the first one, the client having already moved in, he tells me that the hot and cold are backwards in the master shower.

Now he had already told my realtor, and I have already called my plumber....but this is kind of embarrassing...he isn't mad....this and one piece of trim that needs a touch up are the only items he has...and so he is telling me about it, and without a pause, I tell him this is a builder upgrade....I normally charge for having the hot water come on before the cold....easier to get the right water temp....blah, blah, blah.....

He is looking at me like "really?".......and I can't help it, I start laughing and tell him the plumber will meet him when he gets home after closing.

So I am discussing this with my plumber.....and he still won't use the red and blue Pex.....he likes buying the roll of colorless Pex and then he doesn't have any waste.....and I said now correct me if I am wrong.....but since I am buying all the materials, and we have 17 houses to go in this one neighborhood, why not use the red and blue and this won't happen again? He said "good point".
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Moen, by any chance? Maybe the cartridge needed a 180 flip.

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Nope, Delta. No cartridge flip. Until this happened, I didn't know some could be reversed in the body of the faucet.
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Sometimes you can just take off the handle, turn it 180 while it's still installed, and put the handle back on. No need to turn off the water supply.
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I heard a story about a toilet that had hot water connected to it by mistake. First time homeowner thought it was a luxury upgrade - a heated toilet!
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I heard a story about a toilet that had hot water connected to it by mistake. First time homeowner thought it was a luxury upgrade - a heated toilet!
I did that once.

I had I think 7 jobs going at once, which is kind of busy for a one-man-show, and one of them was a bathroom addition.

When I finished, the owners told me, "You know, there's hot water going to the toilet." I didn't think it was possible, nothing else was crossed.

I checked it out, and sure enough, I somehow managed to tap the hot for the toilet. Haven't a clue how I did that.
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I told this plumbing story on another thread. High end jewelry designer thinks she can GC he own house. Plumber runs hot water to first floor powder room. One day,a bunch of subs are doing punch lists,toilet gets many uses. Wax ring melts from all the hot water flushes. Water goes out door into hall,buckles all the clear SYP 1"x 6" flooring.


I told her,at least no one was killed. She said how could that happen ? I said at least you didn't crash and burn like Icarus,flying to close to the sun with your wax wings . She did not appreciate the humor,she was a rigid old bat.
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As many of you know, I am building out a neighborhood of spec homes....small, affordable plans.....and we have sold 2, and at the closing on the first one, the client having already moved in, he tells me that the hot and cold are backwards in the master shower.

Now he had already told my realtor, and I have already called my plumber....but this is kind of embarrassing...he isn't mad....this and one piece of trim that needs a touch up are the only items he has...and so he is telling me about it, and without a pause, I tell him this is a builder upgrade....I normally charge for having the hot water come on before the cold....easier to get the right water temp....blah, blah, blah.....

He is looking at me like "really?".......and I can't help it, I start laughing and tell him the plumber will meet him when he gets home after closing.

So I am discussing this with my plumber.....and he still won't use the red and blue Pex.....he likes buying the roll of colorless Pex and then he doesn't have any waste.....and I said now correct me if I am wrong.....but since I am buying all the materials, and we have 17 houses to go in this one neighborhood, why not use the red and blue and this won't happen again? He said "good point".
Don't know the cost of pex but I would imagine the cost to make a service call for his mistake would more than cover the waste factor

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As many of you know, I am building out a neighborhood of spec homes....small, affordable plans.....and we have sold 2, and at the closing on the first one, the client having already moved in, he tells me that the hot and cold are backwards in the master shower.

Now he had already told my realtor, and I have already called my plumber....but this is kind of embarrassing...he isn't mad....this and one piece of trim that needs a touch up are the only items he has...and so he is telling me about it, and without a pause, I tell him this is a builder upgrade....I normally charge for having the hot water come on before the cold....easier to get the right water temp....blah, blah, blah.....

He is looking at me like "really?".......and I can't help it, I start laughing and tell him the plumber will meet him when he gets home after closing.

So I am discussing this with my plumber.....and he still won't use the red and blue Pex.....he likes buying the roll of colorless Pex and then he doesn't have any waste.....and I said now correct me if I am wrong.....but since I am buying all the materials, and we have 17 houses to go in this one neighborhood, why not use the red and blue and this won't happen again? He said "good point".
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And the plumber left me message, that the cartridge was indeed reversible, and it was apparently backwards. I didn't think I spent the money for the better quality faucet.

My plumber, who is 65, says he is still going to run clear pex......
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Old dogs and all that.....
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I have known this guy all my life. And he is slow. I mean slow. Takes a week to rough in a house. Average house. He has done repair work most of his career because most contractors won't use him because he is slow. But he is damned good. His work is perfect.

He also cannot bid anything. He is so used to working by service numbers, meaning so much an hour plus parts, that he can't guess at anything. But he has been my plumber for nearly 20 years now....why? Because I bid for him using numbers I find that work, like $750 an opening (drain) and I buy the materials, and it works out...hours and money.

I have had other plumbers want to do our work...and if it is out of town a long ways, or out of state, obviously. But other plumbers will not do labor only quotes for me....and I am the GC that buys everything.....it is a model that works for me. In return though, my plumber is available to me every day, and my work is always a priority. I have let him do 120+ new homes, and he doesn't want to lose the clean work to go back to repairs and crawling under houses.

But damn, he is stubborn. I am glad I am not like that.
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I have known this guy all my life. And he is slow. I mean slow. Takes a week to rough in a house. Average house. He has done repair work most of his career because most contractors won't use him because he is slow. But he is damned good. His work is perfect.

He also cannot bid anything. He is so used to working by service numbers, meaning so much an hour plus parts, that he can't guess at anything. But he has been my plumber for nearly 20 years now....why? Because I bid for him using numbers I find that work, like $750 an opening (drain) and I buy the materials, and it works out...hours and money.

I have had other plumbers want to do our work...and if it is out of town a long ways, or out of state, obviously. But other plumbers will not do labor only quotes for me....and I am the GC that buys everything.....it is a model that works for me. In return though, my plumber is available to me every day, and my work is always a priority. I have let him do 120+ new homes, and he doesn't want to lose the clean work to go back to repairs and crawling under houses.

But damn, he is stubborn. I am glad I am not like that.
Brother I hope you mean top out in a week. A week to run dwvs in a 3/2? Your more patient than me lol

I did my house dwvs in one day with my brother. Head test and all, past inspection first go around, no drips.

Top out with pet and manbloc took 1.5 days... we are carpenters... lol

I'd love to be paying 750 an opening again...

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Just curious - do you buy the HVAC materials/equipment and wire for sparky? Seem like that would be a bigger pain that its worth.

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No I don't, not on electrical or hvac.

The basic bid from the sparky is $4.70 a sq/ft and he pays for up to 12 cans, all boxes, panel, wire, fire, and even the door bell. I buy the fixtures. Fans and lighting.

HVAC guys get better deals then I get, unless I go eBay or Amazon....and then they don't or won't hook it up, or service it. They have us by the nads.

But I do buy equipment for commercial jobs at times. Smaller hvac contractors sometimes cannot buy a 60k 20 ton commercial air and spiral ducting. I add 10% and move on.
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HVAC equipment suppliers around here will not under any circumstances sell to a non HVAC licensed contractor. There are very few companies (2 that I know of) who allow their units to be sold to the general public but if any supply house gets caught selling any of the other big manufacturers equipment to the GP they will lose their right to distribute the product. You canít even buy sheet metal parts anymore except from the 3 big boxes.
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HVAC equipment suppliers around here will not under any circumstances sell to a non HVAC licensed contractor. There are very few companies (2 that I know of) who allow their units to be sold to the general public but if any supply house gets caught selling any of the other big manufacturers equipment to the GP they will lose their right to distribute the product. You canít even buy sheet metal parts anymore except from the 3 big boxes.


I wish lumber yards would protect carpenters like the hvac suppliers protect the tin slappers
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HVAC equipment suppliers around here will not under any circumstances sell to a non HVAC licensed contractor. There are very few companies (2 that I know of) who allow their units to be sold to the general public but if any supply house gets caught selling any of the other big manufacturers equipment to the GP they will lose their right to distribute the product. You canít even buy sheet metal parts anymore except from the 3 big boxes.
Same, not aware of any that can sell them here to the general public

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No I don't, not on electrical or hvac.

The basic bid from the sparky is $4.70 a sq/ft and he pays for up to 12 cans, all boxes, panel, wire, fire, and even the door bell. I buy the fixtures. Fans and lighting.

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Another great example why "how much" questions are not allowed.

I don't do sf pricing as a quote, but was averaging $5.00 or more 15 years ago.


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Another great example why "how much" questions are not allowed.

I don't do sf pricing as a quote, but was averaging $5.00 or more 15 years ago.


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