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Old 09-08-2019, 01:11 PM   #1
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Hello everyone, i'm a long time lurker first time poster. This forum has provided me with so many tips and has greatly improved my skills. I really appreciate everyone who has shared knowledge here.

I work mainly with prefinished mouldings as a cabinet installer and i'm yet to find an effective way to fill nail holes on lacquered finishes. The method that the guys I work with use is a smear of white dap drydex followed by a touch of matching lacquered paint. They are also using 18g nails. This method leaves a giant shinny halo surrounding a very visible "touched up" nail hole. I'm curious to know if anyone is attaching moulding (crown and furniture baseboard) using only an adhesive and glue blocks behind the crown with maybe the odd 21 gauge brad? The crown we use is 4" hard maple. I'm very tempted to get the 3M PUR system for this. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated!

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i have most always used a 23ga pin tacker for cabinet trim.

Very slight dab of color matched putty makes the nail hole disappear, if you can find it in the first place.

Crown & base may take several different types of fasteners depending in blocking/backing installed and how straight your walls are.

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I always use 18g for cabinet crown molding and every kitchen I order I always order a touch-up kit (it's a must). 18g has a good hold on solid wood molding specially on solid wood moldings 3+ inches tall and if you crank up the compressor or if use cordless guns, they set nails deep enough that on moldings with certain wood finishes you can't tell from the floor-up.
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23ga nails crossed at each joint makes for good holding power. Or you can nail every 8" and shoot left angle then right angle which makes it tough to pull out.

I use Mohawk Fil-StikŪ to hide the holes.
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23ga nails crossed at each joint makes for good holding power. Or you can nail every 8" and shoot left angle then right angle which makes it tough to pull out.

I use Mohawk Fil-StikŪ to hide the holes.
I appreciate the response. Do you use a burn in knife with the fill sticks? What do you do to get rid of the haze they seem to leave behind?

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I always use 18g for cabinet crown molding and every kitchen I order I always order a touch-up kit (it's a must). 18g has a good hold on solid wood molding specially on solid wood moldings 3+ inches tall and if you crank up the compressor or if use cordless guns, they set nails deep enough that on moldings with certain wood finishes you can't tell from the floor-up.
18g has fantastic hold but the nail holes, even when touched up, look really unsightly. Kitchen lighting can be really unforgiving and any changes in sheen from rubbing putty or fill sticks in stands out big time.
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I appreciate the response. Do you use a burn in knife with the fill sticks? What do you do to get rid of the haze they seem to leave beyond?
Fil-Stik is just a rub in, no heat required. Usually the haze isn't a problem unless you have an odd light source, then use denatured rubbing alcohol to remove it or spray over it with one of the non halo lacquers Mohawk offers.
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i have most always used a 23ga pin tacker for cabinet trim.

Very slight dab of color matched putty makes the nail hole disappear, if you can find it in the first place.

Crown & base may take several different types of fasteners depending in blocking/backing installed and how straight your walls are.
Thanks Griz. Lets say you have a 6 inch crown build up on top of the uppers to attach the 4 inch crown to. Will you just use the 23 gauge? Or do you have some glue blocks in there behind as well? Also is it headless or the slight head 23 gauge? Do you have any issues with sheen change surrounding the holes from the putty?
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I usually use 23 ga pins, especially on painted moldings, 18 ga holes are easily seen. I just buff the fil-stick area with a terry cloth to remove any haze. The 23 ga pins hold well if closely placed and stitched if needed, especially in hardwood.

Some of the cabinets I have removed had trim attached with short ring shank paneling nails. What a pain that must have been to put those in hardwood,
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Thanks Griz. Lets say you have a 6 inch crown build up on top of the uppers to attach the 4 inch crown to. Will you just use the 23 gauge? Or do you have some glue blocks in there behind as well? Also is it headless or the slight head 23 gauge? Do you have any issues with sheen change surrounding the holes from the putty?
I've used the 23ga to attach crown with excellent results.

A lot of what you will use depends on backing. At times the 18ga works better on the crown.

23ga is headless.

Very difficult to spot any sheen change around the pins.

They are VERY small and a putty match stick properly applied they just disappear. and like i said earlier if you can even find them to putty.
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Fil-Stik is just a rub in, no heat required. Usually the haze isn't a problem unless you have an odd light source, then use denatured rubbing alcohol to remove it or spray over it with one of the non halo lacquers Mohawk offers.
The last 4 jobs i've been on we've had pot lights like 8 inches from the crown. This just highlights any inconsistencies in sheen. I'm going to definitely try the denatured alcohol on the next one or the non halo lacquer. Thanks for the tips.
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My first trimmer was a 16ga Paslode. Got good results even then.

And I'm a big fan of adhesive behind the trim, fewer fasteners, less bowing.

Do not know your situation. As a builder, I have always supplied the touchup kits for each cabinet install - 1 for the trim carpys, 1 for the home buyer.

Like much in this business, technique is at least as important as technology, maybe more.

For ex: there is no reason for any "haze" to be apparent after using a color crayon. They are wax based, and can easily be cleaned and buffed to perfection using just a little mineral spirits and a microfiber cloth.

Pic is a junk box currently from the back of my Yukon. A decent cabinet supplier will include 1 or more: color crayon, dye marker, brush clear or top coat.
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Microfiber is awesome for grout haze too.

I use a combination of 23 gauge Pinner and my Brad gun however I inquired about this myself and another area of the forum and somebody brought up a 21 gauge Pinner with a small head that seems very interesting to me.

The only issue I see is the availability I'm fasteners and needing to pre-order everything online.
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I appreciate everyone weighing in. I'm definitely going to start utilizing my 23 gauge more and the 21 gauge when needed. It seems I need to work on my touch up skills. White lacquer touch ups on mitre corners and nail holes have been giving me fits. I read on an old post on JLC of someone using an airbrush for mitre corners. Does anyone here do that?
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And... my favorite tool instead of a burn in knife for wax fillers is an old credit card. In my case those damned points cards that Speedway gas stations are always handing out.
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Tighter miters avoid filling......easier said than done.

So many tedious factors. How square your saw is, blade deflection, consistent profiles married......these days... lighting and glasses when cutting for me lol
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Tighter miters avoid filling......easier said than done.

So many tedious factors. How square your saw is, blade deflection, consistent profiles married......these days... lighting and glasses when cutting for me lol
I've got the saw dialed in using techniques learned from this forum and the mitres are "ducks ass tight" as Justin Huisenga would say thanks to preassembly and Collins clamps. However inconsistent material thicknesses and profiles force me to do some sanding sometimes. Brushing on the lacquer ends up looking good from a far but far from good. Better brushes and maybe using a primer first is something i'm going to try but the airbrush idea seems really appealing.

edit: Also i'm using a full kerf FS tool XL4000 mitre blade so deflection is minimal

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Sounds like your dedicated tradesman thats always looking to improve.

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Tighter miters avoid filling......easier said than done.

So many tedious factors. How square your saw is, blade deflection, consistent profiles married......these days... lighting and glasses when cutting for me lol
I've never had good luck with outside miters on pre-finished moldings. No matter what I do I can tell. Rub a bit of Fil-Stik on it and it's beautiful, like it's painted after the fact. Then again I'm pretty anal.
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I've never had good luck with outside miters on pre-finished moldings. No matter what I do I can tell. Rub a bit of Fil-Stik on it and it's beautiful, like it's painted after the fact. Then again I'm pretty anal.
Same here, I said easier said than done. I do the color markers on the cut edges too....everything possible

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