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Old 07-23-2011, 03:56 AM   #101
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I'm sure the Native Americans were pretty pissed when we (The White Man)showed up here and started taking over as well. I'm no historian, but I'd be willing to wager that not many of the English immigrants learned the native tongue.

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I'm not saying the children don't want to learn the trades, I'm saying we are no longer teaching the trades. Due to the lack of tech workers in America, computers are becoming the new trade. It seems that the shift is to allow illegals to build the houses and have Americans go the tech route.

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Anericans are not needed for tech jobs either. Indians will do that work cheaper, either in India or through H1B visas here. The American worker is obsolete without protectionist policies.
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Anericans are not needed for tech jobs either. Indians will do that work cheaper, either in India or through H1B visas here. The American worker is obsolete without protectionist policies.
How do you figure that? Our pay rates my be obsolete, but the workers are still fine. The problem is that a lot of the rest of the world lives below poverty and they want us to come down to there level. Well I say nay-nay, welcome to the 21st century and get in line with modern conveniences.
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I wonder why 1/3 of our fed. prisons are illegal aliens
It is simply because immigration violations are a federal crime, hence they go to a federal prison. Illegal aliens make up a very small percentage of the total number of people who are imprisoned in the US.

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...I think trying to get our younger generations interested in becoming pros in the trades is imperative. But when most homeowners will hire hacks to work on their homes, which is becoming more and more prevalent, there's not much for them to look toward to....
Exactly. Why would someone at the beginning of their working lives choose to invest their efforts into a decaying industry when it is clearly a lost cause?

The older, established tradesmen cling to the hope of a return to the glory years while the new generation makes their way, the best they can, in the world they inherited; a world where buildings are insignificant disposable items constructed by the underclass for the lowest possible price per square foot. The young don't even see a problem, it's just how it is.
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How do you figure that? Our pay rates my be obsolete, but the workers are still fine. The problem is that a lot of the rest of the world lives below poverty and they want us to come down to there level. Well I say nay-nay, welcome to the 21st century and get in line with modern conveniences.

The problem is that there are not immigration and trade policies to protect the American worker. Don't look for it to change, corporate America owns our politicians. This is why we are in an economic depression and it ain't gonna get better for the forseeable future.
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It amazes me the responses on here every time immigration comes up. Illegal is illegal. period. What I hear most is they work for wages and do work americans won't do. Bull****. My guys make between $10-$16 dollars an hour. They do exceptional work. ALL are Americans. I tried to pick up a laborer on the corner to help my mom in her yard. Guess what? They won't work for less than $10/hr. SO WTF? It is greed plain and simple on the part of the people who hire them. If everyone refused to hire illegals guess what would happen? The price of construction would go up. BIG DEAL. the customer would pay. People don't stop driving when gas goes up. They pay it. Why? Cause no one else is selling it cheaper. It's not rocket science. STOP HIRING ILLEGALS and THEY WILL GO HOME. Stop letting greed dictate your actions. I will never hire illegals and my business is growing every year. I have 5 guys working for me. Business is good. Yes I get out bid alot.(when I bid) But I tell anyone up front I'm not the lowest price . Never will be. And I don't hire Illegals. I tell everyone upfront. Seems to be working for me. Don't hire them and they will go away.
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It amazes me the responses on here every time immigration comes up. Illegal is illegal. period. What I hear most is they work for wages and do work americans won't do. Bull****. My guys make between $10-$16 dollars an hour. They do exceptional work. ALL are Americans. I tried to pick up a laborer on the corner to help my mom in her yard. Guess what? They won't work for less than $10/hr. SO WTF? It is greed plain and simple on the part of the people who hire them. If everyone refused to hire illegals guess what would happen? The price of construction would go up. BIG DEAL. the customer would pay. People don't stop driving when gas goes up. They pay it. Why? Cause no one else is selling it cheaper. It's not rocket science. STOP HIRING ILLEGALS and THEY WILL GO HOME. Stop letting greed dictate your actions. I will never hire illegals and my business is growing every year. I have 5 guys working for me. Business is good. Yes I get out bid alot.(when I bid) But I tell anyone up front I'm not the lowest price . Never will be. And I don't hire Illegals. I tell everyone upfront. Seems to be working for me. Don't hire them and they will go away.

And, if the greedy criminals will stop hiring illegals, there will be MORE work. Illegal mexicans have infiltrated a lot of other industries besides contruction. Have you ever seen the inside of a meat plant???? At one time Americans were doing those jobs. They were also paid enough to own a home, a home that had to be built and maintained.
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...I tried to pick up a laborer on the corner to help my mom in her yard. Guess what? They won't work for less than $10/hr...
That seems reasonable for work performed out in the hot GA sun compared to what an insured professional yard maintenance company would charge. Why do you think $10/hr was too too much?

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... It is greed plain and simple on the part of the people who hire them. ...
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[QUOTE=Cletus;1249727]That seems reasonable for work performed out in the hot GA sun compared to what an insured professional yard maintenance company would charge. Why do you think $10/hr was too too much?





Never said it was too much...The point was there are LEGAL AMERICANS or for that matter LEGAL ANYONE willing to work for $10/hr so how can they be working for wages or jobs that Americans don't want or wont do.


Oh...? Oh what? how else would you describe it?
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And, if the greedy criminals will stop hiring illegals, there will be MORE work. Illegal mexicans have infiltrated a lot of other industries besides contruction. Have you ever seen the inside of a meat plant???? At one time Americans were doing those jobs. They were also paid enough to own a home, a home that had to be built and maintained.
The only time those working in the meat packing factories were paid enough to own their own home might have been for a very short period after WWII, if ever.

Check out the history of meat packing in Chicago from its beginnings until WWII and look at how those Americans lived and were treated. They lived in rented slums with garbage and poop filled streets. During WWII the work was done by women and those unable to fight. From the 60's through today it is back to the way it started.

Those types of jobs have always been done by the very poor and by immigrants who are exactly the type of person that Contractor Talk members advise to stay away from as a customers because they can't afford the quality work performed by the professionals that frequent this site.
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The only time those working in the meat packing factories were paid enough to own their own home might have been for a very short period after WWII, if ever.

Check out the history of meat packing in Chicago from its beginnings until WWII and look at how those Americans lived and were treated. They lived in rented slums with garbage and poop filled streets. During WWII the work was done by women and those unable to fight. From the 60's through today it is back to the way it started.

Those types of jobs have always been done by the very poor and by immigrants who are exactly the type of person that Contractor Talk members advise to stay away from as a customers because they can't afford the quality work performed by the professionals that frequent this site.


That is not true. I know some folks who made a decent living with benefits doing that kind of work right up into the 80's.
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That seems reasonable for work performed out in the hot GA sun compared to what an insured professional yard maintenance company would charge. Why do you think $10/hr was too too much?





Never said it was too much...The point was there are LEGAL AMERICANS or for that matter LEGAL ANYONE willing to work for $10/hr so how can they be working for wages or jobs that Americans don't want or wont do.


Oh...? Oh what? how else would you describe it?
I guess I don't get it. If legal American's are willing to work for the same wage as the illegals then why are the jobs going to illegals?
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I guess I don't get it. If legal American's are willing to work for the same wage as the illegals then why are the jobs going to illegals?


No, you don't get it.
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That is not true. I know some folks who made a decent living with benefits doing that kind of work right up into the 80's.
I'm sure there were some exceptions. It takes an extremely strong willed or desperate person to do that kind of work.

I can't ever imagine that kind off work becoming attractive again. I would rather hand bang railroad spikes than cut meat but that job is gone to the machines.
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I'm sure there were some exceptions. It takes an extremely strong willed or desperate person to do that kind of work.

I can't ever imagine that kind off work becoming attractive again. I would rather hand bang railroad spikes than cut meat but that job is gone to the machines.

I'd rather do that work than be on welfare and live in public housing. That is, if it was stable, paid enough to own a modest home, and provided decent benefits. It was never attractive work, but people could make a living, own a home , and feed their kids. You don't get it.
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No, you don't get it.
Do you get it? I mean besides being angry about how things have changed and agreeing with buzz words like "infiltrate" what is there to get? What are you going to do about it anyways?

Rounding up 12 million people, busing them somewhere, and then defending thousands of miles of border isn't going to do much to help 150 million of the middle class. Wages may rise a little but costs would rise right along with them leaving us right where we are now.

Illegal immigration has been on the decline for the last decade as the economy has grown worse. Illegal immigration is not a major problem, it is simply a tool used to appeal to peoples emotions and to divert attention from other, bigger problems. We are not competing with 12 million illegal immigrants, we are competing with the two billion people in China and India who are quickly catching up with us while we spend all our money on weapons to protect us from goat herders.

Our short period of prosperity is long over. It is not coming back in our lifetimes and it's not because of a few Mexicans taking our jobs.
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Do you get it? I mean besides being angry about how things have changed and agreeing with buzz words like "infiltrate" what is there to get? What are you going to do about it anyways?

Rounding up 12 million people, busing them somewhere, and then defending thousands of miles of border isn't going to do much to help 150 million of the middle class. Wages may rise a little but costs would rise right along with them leaving us right where we are now.

Illegal immigration has been on the decline for the last decade as the economy has grown worse. Illegal immigration is not a major problem, it is simply a tool used to appeal to peoples emotions and to divert attention from other, bigger problems. We are not competing with 12 million illegal immigrants, we are competing with the two billion people in China and India who are quickly catching up with us while we spend all our money on weapons to protect us from goat herders.

Our short period of prosperity is long over. It is not coming back in our lifetimes and it's not because of a few Mexicans taking our jobs.
You don't get it.
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...That is, if it was stable, paid enough to own a modest home, and provided decent benefits. ...
Put a real number on that. Home-ownership + benefits (vacation,sick leave, medical), what is that 45, 50K a year in today's money?

So everyone, including the meat cutters, pot hole fillers, and yard mowers get paid that, after the Mexicans leave, so we can all afford homes and keep the contractors in business.

Is that what I don't get?
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You don't get it.
We're still playing that game?

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