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Old 09-05-2019, 05:02 AM   #41
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At 16 I ripped my friends parents garage roof, re sheeted and threw down some O/C 3 tabs. Thing came out straight as a Mother F-er. Grandfather had an old ford ranger and couldn’t drive anymore, so i took it and started doing my own small stuff at that age.

Was a siding cut man (aluminum) at age 13. Remember getting my balls busted for leaving early one summer day to get my braces put on lol.


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Old 09-05-2019, 07:01 AM   #42
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I general I would say:
1. Don't be a Hall Monitor
2. Let the school of hard knocks do it's job

I started my first business when I was 14.
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I would suggest that you mind your own business. What does this have to do with tou???

Personally, I would congratulate this young man for being an entrepreneur and being willing to work. Far too many kids these days are sitting home playing video games .

Do you feel the same way about a kid who starts a business cutting lawns, or shoveling snow after a storm?

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Then there is the fact that there is no way this kid knows what he is doing nor has the experience to charge someone to do it.
That's not fact, that's opinion and speculation.

Probably not based on any knowledge on your part, merely prejudice.
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That's not fact, that's opinion and speculation.

Probably not based on any knowledge on your part, merely prejudice.
No, it's pretty much a fact based on his communication with others when he admitted he didn't know how to do several tasks that were asked of him. I twas opinion and speculation on your part (with definite prejudice) that I didn't have that knowledge. Nice try though. I like your spirit. Keep it up.
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I don't see anything in his post that would cause me concern if I decided I wanted to give him a shot at some small project in my house...

He shows a picture of a tiled tub and states he can do plumbing. If he has no insurance and no company he is your employee. That should cause concern for anyone.

He's not advertising full-house remodels, and not even full projects, Depends on what you consider a "full project" but any project that would require him to pick up a drill would violate the Fair Labor Act. but small jobs & handyman stuff... any kid that age that showed the gumption to even LEARN how to do the stuff he listed, never mind actually having done it, while still in school has earned the benefit of the doubt in my book...

Knowing enough to be dangerous and not wanting to work for someone to learn how to actually do things properly would not earn the benefit of doubt in my book. There is too much doubt. No way you would let this kid retile your tub without you looking over his shoulder every step of the way.

Personally, I'd leave it to his customer to make the decision if he's "qualified" to do the project they may consider him for, and not take it upon yourself to crush a budding spirit on some crusade to be the protector of your community... you don't know his background, capabilities, or need (he wouldn't be the first kid who worked to try to help out his family)... you also don't know if he plans on making it a career and is getting ahead of the game...

Still having trouble with reading and comprehension. At least I know this is not about my situation but me. I hoped to get advice on how to handle it and word a response. Seems like my haters just want to make this about me. Go back and read what I wrote. I SPECIFICALLY stated I didn't want to crush his spirit.

Don't worry TNT... the world will most likely still turn and customers still use their judgement if they deem him worthy of working in their home if you simply do nothing (other than offer some mentoring)...
I am not worried that the world will end. I am just exhausted by your personality and comments. You might be the first person I ignore on CT.
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So a kid can drive a behemoth tractor in the fields, but a 1/4" drill is too dangerous?

We have essentially the same law in PA. And it's just as dumb here. It doesn't allow for the possibility that a kid's parents might actually take some responsibility and teach him how to work with his hands (and brain) well before so-called manhood.

IMO, if a kid has the physical and mental ability to handle certain types of tasks, it should be none of the gummint's business whether he's allowed to. Unilaterally outlawing it across the board is ridiculous.

But getting back to the OP, I would do nothing to interfere with his ambition. If someone hires him without due caution, so be it. The market will soon teach him whether he's on the right track. As for licensing and whatnot, yes that should happen eventually. But I wouldn't want to be the one denying him the chance to dip a toe into the water.
But see, that's my fear. Without guidance he will become discouraged. I am trying to find a way to address my concerns to him as well as encouragement and at the same time educate the public that giving a kid a chance isn't worth some of the risks or at least understand the risks before pulling the trigger.

My thought was to do two things.

1) Create a post that lists many things a home owner should look for when hiring a contractor. Buried in there would be about hiring someone without insurance (types of insurance), having underage workers on site. That kind of thing so that it's not that so obvious.

2) Send him a PM and start a dialogue with him
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1. Don't be a Hall Monitor
2. Let the school of hard knocks do it's job

I started my first business when I was 14.
It's not about being a hall monitor. It's about educating the public and not allowing the ambition and drive of a young man be crushed because he has taken on too much or got in over his head.

A hall monitor would just turn him in.
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As I see it, neither he nor any potential clients are requesting anyone's professional opinion, guidance, or protection. And they're all complete strangers. So what's the point, really?

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As I see it, neither he nor any potential clients are requesting anyone's professional opinion, guidance, or protection. So what's the point, really?
I thought I made that clear. Is no one reading my comments?

But you wouldn't aid someone unless they requested it? If you saw someone swerving on the road you wouldn't call it in? You would wait for someone to get hurt or someone's property to be damaged? I guess I like to be more proactive in my world and community.
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2) Send him a PM and start a dialogue with him
If you're actually going to do anything, and insert yourself into his life uninvited, about all that should be done... IF your goal is indeed to not crush his spirit...

People are adults and can make their own decisions on who they hire and why... for good or bad... your posts seem to indicate you think otherwise, and that they can't discern between a kid with some hustle/ambition and a pro and the type of work they'd hire him for...

You take risk ANYTIME you hire someone to do work for you... nobody's "hatin' on you" just because they disagree with you based on their own life experiences/perspectives when you asked "What to do?"...


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I am not worried that the world will end. I am just exhausted by your personality and comments. You might be the first person I ignore on CT.
I'm not everyone's cup of tea and I'm fine with that... don't post to please individuals... I pretty much post to help where I can... can't do anything about anyone's individual personality and how they interpret such...

But it's kinda' rich for you of all people to post that though... as to "ignore", feel free, it's what it's there for...

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I thought I made that clear. Is no one reading my comments?

But you wouldn't aid someone unless they requested it? If you saw someone swerving on the road you wouldn't call it in? You would wait for someone to get hurt or someone's property to be damaged? I guess I like to be more proactive in my world and community.
You said something about not killing the young guy's spirit, but come on. It's not our role to prevent folks from getting into trouble based on fuzzy assumptions. For all we know, he's got a buddy doing his serious plumbing.

Yes, I can see folks hiring him for a bath/shower and MAYBE getting a piss poor job..or not. We have no way of knowing how/where he got his knowledge.

And for the record, I applaud your concerns about quality in general.
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Years ago, a 14 year old kid bought an old backhoe and offered to work for $20 per hour. Going rate at the time was about $65 for a hoe and operator. The limitations were that it had to be close enough for him to drive the machine on the road to get there- no trailering- and he could work after school and weekends if his mom was available to drop him off where he left the tractor
The guy that I worked for would use him when possible because it was cheap.
There was a learning curve. I remember him crushing a block wall when backfilling too aggressively, but he grew up like we all did and he has a pretty good business today. He raised his rates and got more equipment
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I am beginning to understand the reviews of this site. I keep trying to come back to CT, but it's just the same old same old button pushers. This will be my last post for a while. Facebook groups are so much better with far fewer trolls and pot stirrers.
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I am beginning to understand the reviews of this site. I keep trying to come back to CT, but it's just the same old same old button pushers. This will be my last post for a while. Facebook groups are so much better with far fewer trolls and pot stirrers.
You served up a hell of a topic, and folks happen to have strong opinions on it, just as you do. It happens.
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I am beginning to understand the reviews of this site. I keep trying to come back to CT, but it's just the same old same old button pushers. This will be my last post for a while. Facebook groups are so much better with far fewer trolls and pot stirrers.
Don't be such a cry baby, man. You asked peoples opinions, you got it. Sounds like you won.


I asked for something once, and didn't get $#!T.


As for the topic, you're the problem. You, and people like you, are the reason we have the society we do.

Bunch of scared $^!Tless cry babies.


And people like you will keep obsessing over insurance, and random rules that change on a yearly basis, that were only designed to F^%K the citizens of the country anyway, and this country will get more and more regulated, and more and more helpless, and then I guess you and yours will really be happy.



Glad I live in the land of outlaws.
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I am beginning to understand the reviews of this site. I keep trying to come back to CT, but it's just the same old same old button pushers. This will be my last post for a while. Facebook groups are so much better with far fewer trolls and pot stirrers.

Kind of like the DIY'er coming here for advice and not getting what they wanted to hear.


Fargin laugh, has the young mans best interest at heart. Funny way to pose the "question" if that were true. Sure is argumentative as hell for someone who wants to save the world, or would it be to be seen as saving hard to tell. TNT knows best, cause I guess he's never lost an argument.
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It's not about being a hall monitor. It's about educating the public and not allowing the ambition and drive of a young man be crushed because he has taken on too much or got in over his head.

A hall monitor would just turn him in.
So tell the guy to join here, and he can get advice and guidance. Or you could mentor him yourself, either way or both.

Or maybe one of those Facebook groups.
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If he doesn't have insurance any homeowner who hires him is liable for any injury he could sustain on their property it's unfortunately that simple.
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If he doesn't have insurance any homeowner who hires him is liable for any injury he could sustain on their property it's unfortunately that simple.
That is true no matter who walks on your property, for whatever reason, even someone you didn't invite, like a door-to-door salesman...

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