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Old 07-26-2019, 06:20 AM   #21
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i forgot to put the cap back on the toothpaste tube once...
my wife blew , left a silver dollar size hole in my ass !!
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Old 07-26-2019, 06:43 AM   #22
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Redid the drywall on one wall in my garage a couple of years ago. One last screw to put in and I was out. Decided no big deal to use a 2 1/2 one for it. Dead center through the copper pipe.


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I had a customer tell me she was certain that meter base was bypassed.

Used my snips to cut it. It wasn't bypassed. Scared the crap out of the customer and my buddy.

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My dad as putting in a cattle guard a number of years ago . Had the phone company do locate, they where off and he cut the fiber line , a lot of pairs. Well it was their dime to fix.
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I was working 45 minutes upriver. Installing bluebeard for some folks for a shower.

I was finishing up and chatting with the customer about some dumbasses I had seen and worked with over the years. I telling her about a guy who ran a screw through a waterline....

Just at that moment, last screw, right through the waterline. She laughed when I told her because she thought I was joking.

Had to turn the water off and run 1 1/2 hours back to town to try and find a pipe patch at 5 PM on a Sunday.

Would have been no big deal, except it was an unused cottage and it didn't have a separate shutoff from the main house.

When my plumber came out in the next day or so, I told him to put a shutoff valve somewhere, anywhere.

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Don't beat yourself up Easy,it was not your fault.The wire should have been protected with one of these. https://www.homedepot.com/p/RACO-2-9...B&gclsrc=aw.ds

+ that is one of the reasons I never warmed up to having "extension cords" run through walls. Conduit all the way !
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I hit a wire installing a grab bar once. I ran a screw in and thought i saw a puff of smoke but i wasn't sure, i decided to back the screw out and it became obvious. It even made it much worse. Now I could hear it sparking in the wall. I kept thinking any second the breaker is going to trip, nope. It just made that awful sound behind the wall. I ran to the breaker box and hit the main. I ran back and starting beating holes in the sheetrock to see how bad the damage was and put out any fire that might have started. It was smokey around the wire and charred a bit but no major damage. The electrician came out and fixed it up and I got to repair the damaged sheetrock for free. I still have some PTSD over that one.
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Don't beat yourself up Easy,it was not your fault.The wire should have been protected with one of these. https://www.homedepot.com/p/RACO-2-9...B&gclsrc=aw.ds

+ that is one of the reasons I never warmed up to having "extension cords" run through walls. Conduit all the way !
The wire was stapled to the side of the stud, how would a nail plate help? He said he just skimmed the side of the stud. I anything a standoff would have helped if there were multiple wires
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The wire was stapled to the side of the stud, how would a nail plate help? He said he just skimmed the side of the stud. I anything a standoff would have helped if there were multiple wires


You are correct on that,however,if it wasn't an"extension cord" in the wall and conduit instead,this thread would not exist !
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Maybe we could stop calling properly rated, concealment approved, NM cable (Romex)..."extension cord". Whadayasay?

Anyone who bids a job to use conduit in a place where conduit isn't required isn't going to get 95% of the jobs they bid on. Very few customers would know or care...as long as the lights come on when they flip the switch and their coffee is hot in the morning, they're happy.
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This really went my way.

I cut a neat hole in the wallpapered drywall in preparation for the electrician, and to my delight found that the wire I hit was feeding the outlet at the end of the chain.
No staples between that outlet and the next on the chain! Idiots!
Grabbed the snake from my truck and fished it myself.
No electrician involved. My bottom line for Friday was saved!

Wire was definitely effed. Screwed right between the stud and wire and really mutilated it.
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Maybe we could stop calling properly rated, concealment approved, NM cable (Romex)..."extension cord". Whadayasay?

Anyone who bids a job to use conduit in a place where conduit isn't required isn't going to get 95% of the jobs they bid on. Very few customers would know or care...as long as the lights come on when they flip the switch and their coffee is hot in the morning, they're happy.


Well of course they are happy,when the lights and coffee pots come on.

How happy are they when a screw goes through their wires and the lights go off ? Possibly then the light bulb will come on in their head that the initial "savings" was not the best deal in reality. Running screws into walls with romex is like playing pin the tail on the donkey. You don't know how things will come out. This thread attests to it.
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Running screws into walls with romex is like playing pin the tail on the donkey. You don't know how things will come out. This thread attests to it.
Well... Let's allow for a little Darwinism in there too. When Romex is properly installed, dressed and protected with plates in "iffy" areas, screw/nail calamities are just about always due to lack of due care upon the part of the screwer/nailer. Like (duh) using a 3" screw right where the Romex is passing through the center of a 2x4.

Sure, conduit might prevent trouble in that instance, but just how far are we supposed to go in protecting our fellow chimpanzees from themselves?

As a matter of practicality, given that such incidents are actually pretty rare in the big picture, it makes little sense to have a blanket rule requiring 100% foolproof wiring. If such a thing can actually exist.

Job I was on a few years ago, a guy putting up a partition wall managed to shoot a nail dead center into a water pipe. It didn't stop that nail, and conduit wouldn't have either.
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No way would I be putting conduit in in a remodel. I don't even look that stupid.
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Well... Let's allow for a little Darwinism in there too. When Romex is properly installed, dressed and protected with plates in "iffy" areas, screw/nail calamities are just about always due to lack of due care upon the part of the screwer/nailer. Like (duh) using a 3" screw right where the Romex is passing through the center of a 2x4.

Sure, conduit might prevent trouble in that instance, but just how far are we supposed to go in protecting our fellow chimpanzees from themselves?

As a matter of practicality, given that such incidents are actually pretty rare in the big picture, it makes little sense to have a blanket rule requiring 100% foolproof wiring. If such a thing can actually exist.

Job I was on a few years ago, a guy putting up a partition wall managed to shoot a nail dead center into a water pipe. It didn't stop that nail, and conduit wouldn't have either.




Well,on the flip side of that,many moons ago,I had a 22 unit apt. building built in 1931. It had plaster walls and not thin wall but rigid pipe for the electric. All the kitchens had a surface mount ceiling light. ALL the wires became frayed from the heat with them being surface mount. To change out the wire was a stroll in the park,connect new wire to old,pull down to switch,connect and call it a day. After about 5,I could do it with eyes closed. Imagine the fun with romex.

So,in reality,the obsolescence is built right in to the wire not in conduit. Sure it costs more from the get go,however in the long run,it is way cheaper.
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So,in reality,the obsolescence is built right in to the wire not in conduit. Sure it costs more from the get go,however in the long run,it is way cheaper.
In reality, houses being built today aren't really designed to last 100 years. So there's that....
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In reality, houses being built today aren't really designed to last 100 years. So there's that....


Sad,wasteful and it does not have to be that way. We need to start thinking in terms of posterity and resiliency.
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Where does MDF trim constantly being installed in bathrooms and kitchens fit into that?
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Where does MDF trim constantly being installed in bathrooms and kitchens fit into that?
Circle of life. Tree becomes MDF product, goes into wet environment, breaks down with mold, whole house gets bulldozed and becomes fertilizer for new trees that will become studs for a new house in 20 years

So, it doesn't fit in to longevity, but sustainability maybe? Lol

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No way would I be putting conduit in in a remodel. I don't even look that stupid.
I did it every remodel job. It is a code requirement in the area I'm from. I use the word "did" because I'm not currently doing remodels. If I go back to remodeling in my home area, it will be all EMT again.

I'm faster at EMT than NM.

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