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Old 08-22-2016, 02:38 PM   #1
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I'm working on an estimate for a porch restoration. We want to keep it as original as possible, but out of something more durable than pine or fir. I know Fypon makes polyurethane components that seem to match up pretty well, but the problem I'm having is finding the goose necks for the ends of the rail.

Anyone ever rebuild a porch railing like this?



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Old 08-22-2016, 03:02 PM   #2
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Yes, but I use Sapele for almost all my exterior wood components.

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Yes, but I use Sapele for almost all my exterior wood components.
I assume you fabricate all your components yourself? I'd love to use mahogany, but I don't think its in the budget.

I dont have the setup for that. I'd need the parts pre fabbed.

wanna ship me some railings?
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Sapele is pretty reasonable price wise.

Sure, easy enough to flat pack and ship.
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I've done a lot of historical restorations and would not even consider a man made material for any of them.As the folks that hired me would not either.I did all of the windows,doors and coloumns . Exactly as the originals.
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What's the point of a historical restoration when you slap a bunch of vinyl and pvc on it?
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If you can make the same details out of composites, and have it last forever, than why not?

I do like the sapelle idea though. My main concern is sourcing those gooseneck parts for the rails. I can't find anything in wood, or plastic.


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The difference is it's a "HISTOICAL RESTORATION"
Vinyl and pvc don't do it.Especially for the people signing the check.
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If you can make the same details out of composites, and have it last forever, than why not?

I do like the sapelle idea though. My main concern is sourcing those gooseneck parts for the rails. I can't find anything in wood, or plastic.


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You won't find it. Simplest way is to have someone copy it that is capable. Then you assemble, paint an install it.
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The difference is it's a "HISTOICAL RESTORATION"
Vinyl and pvc don't do it.Especially for the people signing the check.

An actual historical restoration, no PVC. But if the homeowner just happens to like the original detail and doesn't care about true authenticity - which is common for me - I'll slap Azek or Kleer on a 200 year old house all day long. But never vinyl. Never.
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An actual historical restoration, no PVC. But if the homeowner just happens to like the original detail and doesn't care about true authenticity - which is common for me - I'll slap Azek or Kleer on a 200 year old house all day long. But never vinyl. Never.

I use pvc on occasion, but the movement is horrible.
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If you can make the same details out of composites, and have it last forever, than why not?

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That's my argument, for the most part. I appreciate the arguments behind a true historical restoration but my homeowners aren't as particular, or rich. I tell them I can match the historical elements in Azek for $Y, in wood for $Y-25%, or just as the original builder did it with hand tools and wood for $4Y. How close to restored do you want to be?
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That's my argument, for the most part. I appreciate the arguments behind a true historical restoration but my homeowners aren't as particular, or rich. I tell them I can match the historical elements in Azek for $Y, in wood for $Y-25%, or just as the original builder did it with hand tools and wood for $4Y. How close to restored do you want to be?

Common misconception that those old house parts were made with hand tools. Yes, they were fitted that way, but everything was available to order from millshops out of their pattern books. I have a small collection of pattern books dating back to the 1880's.

The machinery age was a real viable thing from about the 1850's on.

I could probably find that exact style hand rail in one of my books.

I really don't think that railing would be strong enough if it was made out of pvc and foam.
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That's my argument, for the most part. I appreciate the arguments behind a true historical restoration but my homeowners aren't as particular, or rich. I tell them I can match the historical elements in Azek for $Y, in wood for $Y-25%, or just as the original builder did it with hand tools and wood for $4Y. How close to restored do you want to be?
Yeah, its not a home with a historical designation or anything. It's a nice old house, with original details that have seen better days. They want it to look right, and have less maintenance.

Although, they originally asked if I could fix it up with some bondo

I might end up having to going with wood rails and composite columns or something.
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I really don't think that railing would be strong enough if it was made out of pvc and foam.
That is a concern I had too.
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Here is one I am currently working on replicating.
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If you had Darcy build you one out of Sapele or Sipo I bet it would be competitive with anything from fypon. You would have the cost of paint but so what, waaaaay better finished product. They might even just want it to go grey.

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