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Old 12-31-2013, 12:57 PM   #21
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I named my company after a large city....when people search for a plumber in that city my name comes up first.....now it seems every guy is using the tactic of having 10-15 websites -1 for every city...im even considering doing it too

there's one guy I know who is #1 or #2 on every city on google searches.....it seems like an easy way to get to the top
I wouldn't call it easy because there's much more than meets the eye unless the markets don't have any other web savvy players. As soon as a few competitors get serious it becomes more difficult. And the early adapters maintain the advantage because Google favors domain age literally to a fault. It's a fault that works in favor of those who get in line first though.

I've been noticing a trend with Google to devalue geo specific domain names for commercial use. Yes, they do realize that company names like yours are legit, but the strategy being used by your competitor could backfire if it triggers a flag with Google. To build a network of micro sites like I believe you are referring to, they should be blogs or informational sites populated with useful content. Google is getting increasingly skilled at predicting human response to content and they will see through the spamming techniques littering the web.
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I have thought about adding a page to my site for all the smaller city's around my area. Obviously using unique content but am on the fence with it. Not sure if it's something worth investing my time in and possibly having it back fire like cbscreative mentions.
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And the early adapters maintain the advantage because Google favors domain age literally to a fault. It's a fault that works in favor of those who get in line first though.
My current domain name and website was created almost 8 years ago, prior to that my domain name was a .net. The .net domain is 13 years old, I switched to a .com because I figured that is what most people are familiar with.

The .net domain is forwarded to my current website but I don't know if it makes any difference.
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I have thought about adding a page to my site for all the smaller city's around my area. Obviously using unique content but am on the fence with it. Not sure if it's something worth investing my time in and possibly having it back fire like cbscreative mentions.
Almost all of my town pages rank in addition to my google places listings. Look at it this way, if your specific service page ranks for state, county or the town you live in use your individual town pages to rank where your individual serivce page wont show up. You dont want your home page to rank for specific services as you will never get it to show up if it already is showing up in the local pack result.

Im even moving on to my blog pages in this manner. Some search terms I have 3 of my pages on the top 3 spots, plus a lingering page or two on page 2 and 3.

But you will never get these results without proper page titles and a very good interlink.

You will never go wrong with original content on your town pages, but if you monitor the pages if they have similar content on them , if they take a nose dive just rewrite them and send a new link at them by announcing them on twitter or something. Vary the page titles as well.
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with my new website I decided to do a test with a 1 page website linked to my main one...its my hometown with the word plumber after it

after 2 weeks im almost on page 1

google also accepted it as its own company...so now on google maps I 'should' have 2 listings with the same address(still waiting for google to put it there)

I think this technique sucks.....but it appears to be 100% working.....im seeing everyone copy my company name now (Waukesha Plumbing) and just add something to the end (like services) or change Plumbing to Plumber...they are all trying to take away from my name....when you click on some of them they don't even say who they really are....one is basically claiming to be me.....I own the trademark, but because its also a city its not very enforceable....im considering sueing for the hell of it because for him to fight me would cost him $3,000+ and I figure he'll change his website and actually say who is he instead of paying $3,000....only problem is it costs ME $3000

from what I can see having 10-20 websites (all exactly the same) works very well

I may be using this technique very soon if I cant get to page 1 the normal way
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with my new website I decided to do a test with a 1 page website linked to my main one...its my hometown with the word plumber after it after 2 weeks im almost on page 1 google also accepted it as its own company...so now on google maps I 'should' have 2 listings with the same address(still waiting for google to put it there) I think this technique sucks.....but it appears to be 100% working.....im seeing everyone copy my company name now (Waukesha Plumbing) and just add something to the end (like services) or change Plumbing to Plumber...they are all trying to take away from my name....when you click on some of them they don't even say who they really are....one is basically claiming to be me.....I own the trademark, but because its also a city its not very enforceable....im considering sueing for the hell of it because for him to fight me would cost him $3,000+ and I figure he'll change his website and actually say who is he instead of paying $3,000....only problem is it costs ME $3000 from what I can see having 10-20 websites (all exactly the same) works very well I may be using this technique very soon if I cant get to page 1 the normal way
When I do a search for Waukesha plumbers, you aren't showing up yet and I live in the city.

Just Kidding. You show up at number 7. After all the maps and Waukesha plumbing service (which is allowed by the WDFI otherwise they would not have allowed the name.
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My current domain name and website was crated almost 8 years ago, prior to that my domain name was a .net. The .net domain is 13 years old, I switched to a .com because I figured that is what most people are familiar with.

The .net domain is forwarded to my current website but I don't know if it makes any difference.
That is the correct strategy. Just be sure the forward is actually a redirect (aka 301) because there is technically a difference. Your domain control may even call it a forward but use a redirect which can be confusing. The 301 redirect is the accepted standard that will pass on any ranking power you have to the domain you are redirecting to.
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with my new website I decided to do a test with a 1 page website linked to my main one...its my hometown with the word plumber after it

after 2 weeks im almost on page 1

google also accepted it as its own company...so now on google maps I 'should' have 2 listings with the same address(still waiting for google to put it there)

I think this technique sucks.....but it appears to be 100% working.....im seeing everyone copy my company name now (Waukesha Plumbing) and just add something to the end (like services) or change Plumbing to Plumber...they are all trying to take away from my name....when you click on some of them they don't even say who they really are....one is basically claiming to be me.....I own the trademark, but because its also a city its not very enforceable....im considering sueing for the hell of it because for him to fight me would cost him $3,000+ and I figure he'll change his website and actually say who is he instead of paying $3,000....only problem is it costs ME $3000

from what I can see having 10-20 websites (all exactly the same) works very well

I may be using this technique very soon if I cant get to page 1 the normal way
You are struggling and trying to circumvent the poor on page seo I babbled on and on about. Good luck. You wont get a duplicate business listing in the local pack results for long, and you might even get your real business banned.
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from what I can see having 10-20 websites (all exactly the same) works very well. I may be using this technique very soon if I cant get to page 1 the normal way
Go back to your web designer and ask them to write proper title tags and descriptions for each of your pages. Until you've got the basics done properly forget about the rest of your SEO. Your site has potential but it's choking itself at the moment.
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That is the correct strategy. Just be sure the forward is actually a redirect (aka 301) because there is technically a difference. Your domain control may even call it a forward but use a redirect which can be confusing. The 301 redirect is the accepted standard that will pass on any ranking power you have to the domain you are redirecting to.
I checked and it is a 301 redirect. I don't know if that has any positive impact. Would people have to be entering the URL or clicking on a link with the address that is being forwarded to have any impact? Or will Google give me a higher ranking just because the forwarded URL is older?
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No. Instead you could build a site out on that .net domain with 20 pages of good content about what you do and where you do it... Then get a separate hosting account for it and backlink throughout the content to your .com. Now you have some backlinks your competition can't have until they do the same.

Buying "aged" domains (that have existing backlinks and pr) and throwing up sites on them with backlinks that you can control has been an SEO strategy for a while. Some guys suggest different hosting for each site (from different providers) along with private WHOIS information for the outside sites too. I would agree.
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Go back to your web designer and ask them to write proper title tags and descriptions for each of your pages. Until you've got the basics done properly forget about the rest of your SEO. Your site has potential but it's choking itself at the moment.
I now realize he knows nothing about SEO...its not exactly what he told me when I hired him

I am looking right now into hiring a company to handle the SEO and modify my website....Ive gotten bids for $750 a month to handle the SEO(ouch)
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I now realize he knows nothing about SEO...its not exactly what he told me when I hired him I am looking right now into hiring a company to handle the SEO and modify my website....Ive gotten bids for $750 a month to handle the SEO(ouch)
Who are you looking into around this area? Some are real good and some are bad.

$750 is about average. I pay around $1100 with the company I recently switched to.
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When I do a search for Waukesha plumbers, you aren't showing up yet and I live in the city.

Just Kidding. You show up at number 7. After all the maps and Waukesha plumbing service (which is allowed by the WDFI otherwise they would not have allowed the name.
I have no issue with his website name....what I have an issue with is he doesn't list his actual business name on his websites...he is using his website names......so he's 20 different companies.....and of course he says to call 'Dave" which is also my name.....I have no doubts my customers mix me and him up....a friend gives someone a referral, they look up Waukesha plumbing and click on him by mistake....it may be legal, but its not ethical business in my opinion......when someone clicks on your website it should actually say who you are....luckily his company photo looks like a prison mug shot, so im sure it doesn't help him much......if I have a good year ill hire a lawyer to file the lawsuit....either he pays $3000 to challenge my lawsuit or $200 to change his name inside the website....weve talked on the phone already and he has admitted to me that it isnt the his first complaint from a competitor on the exact same issue.
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Who are you looking into around this area? Some are real good and some are bad.

$750 is about . I pay around $1100 with the company I recently switched to.
I was referred to a company in Toronto for the $750

I have looked into Inet and they are looking into giving me a bid...originally I was going to let them design my website, but they wanted $15,000+ and I thought that was insane!

they recently contacted me again (to rip on my new website--how classy),they wanted around $750-900 for SEO on the website they were going to design.......

thanks for letting me know how much you pay....$750 just seems insane, but im coming to accept it...$9k a year....last year I only got $8k from my website....if im going to pay $9k I need to make $75-90k from my website for it to be worth it to me....it just seems like a stretch for my sales to go up 1000% in a year

let me know who you use locally?
my existing web designer is trying to do SEO, but admitted he doesn't know enough and is asking for help from someone else....

I know Inet would most likely do the best job around town, but their prices are just too far out of the ball park to even be considered....wish I could charge 3x my competition
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I was referred to a company in Toronto for the $750 I have looked into Inet and they are looking into giving me a bid...originally I was going to let them design my website, but they wanted $15,000+ and I thought that was insane! they recently contacted me again (to rip on my new website--how classy),they wanted around $750-900 for SEO on the website they were going to design....... thanks for letting me know how much you pay....$750 just seems insane, but im coming to accept it...$9k a year....last year I only got $8k from my website....if im going to pay $9k I need to make $75-90k from my website for it to be worth it to me....it just seems like a stretch for my sales to go up 1000% in a year let me know who you use locally? my existing web designer is trying to do SEO, but admitted he doesn't know enough and is asking for help from someone else.... I know Inet would most likely do the best job around town, but their prices are just too far out of the ball park to even be considered....wish I could charge 3x my competition
Yeah I'm not a fan of Inet.

I did use a local company called Orion Web but recently quit using them due to a lack of results. At first (three years ago) I was dominating too results with them for over 20 keywords but then since early this year it seems they let me rankings slip and never worked to get them back up so I switched to an out of state company.

I've only been with them a month so I can't judge them yet.

If $750 brings in 20k a month, is it worth it?
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inets website makes me want to punch my computer. What a mess that site is.
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I will say that they are the SEO provider of one of my main competitors and their site ranks very well in a lot of tough keyword areas.
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For the price you paid I was expecting quite a bit more website.

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$750 isn't outrageous but you need to know what they are doing, what are they changing? Some $1000/month SEO companies do about $29.95 worth of work and it's easy to fleece a business owner who doesn't know any better.
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I will say that they are the SEO provider of one of my main competitors and their site ranks very well in a lot of tough keyword areas.
Is it Infinity? Their site is well done, not a fan of the auto play, not really a fan of the way the site looks itself, but there is an impressive amount of content, and its presented impressively. From looking at Milwaukee roofing most the sites that come up have a large amount of content on their home pages, with H1,2,3's done properly. I would say you need to out content them, have a larger site and you will pop up on that page. None of them were over pr3, all had low page authority, ez pickins if you write enough. Branch out into additional content sites if you need to speed things up, if you can keep up with adding content to all of the sites.

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