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Old 04-15-2019, 06:17 PM   #1
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Hey Guys wanted to see recommendations. This is a existing restaurant with 18x18 tiles on the ground floor (wood molding as cove base).

Subfloor: Plywood w/ mesh and thinset (speedset were repairs are done)
Tiles are cracking all over - floor has flex to it.
Grout: reg sanded grout
Note: all plumbing and cove base tiles (stacked) in back of house are done incorrectly.

Now the best part - the basement floods everytime they wash the floor upstairs. Every pipe/drain basically is sitting on tile and not sealed. Previous contractors were using speedset and kept trying to patch over and over.

Any solutions to get this to stop leaking?
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Hey Guys wanted to see recommendations. This is a existing restaurant with 18x18 tiles on the ground floor (wood molding as cove base).

Subfloor: Plywood w/ mesh and thinset (speedset were repairs are done)
Tiles are cracking all over - floor has flex to it.
Grout: reg sanded grout
Note: all plumbing and cove base tiles (stacked) in back of house are done incorrectly.

Now the best part - the basement floods everytime they wash the floor upstairs. Every pipe/drain basically is sitting on tile and not sealed. Previous contractors were using speedset and kept trying to patch over and over.

Any solutions to get this to stop leaking?

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Old 04-15-2019, 06:26 PM   #3
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Great Advice


I am asking for recommendations on materials.

I have my a tile crew on staff but I rather sub this job out as it is a disaster!
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you have a tile crew and dont know which materials to spec?

sounds like you are in over your head, hire a professional
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Thanks for your help - useless!

My tile crew does resi jobs- Not repairs for commercial hack jobs.

Smartass - go waste someone else's time - Forums are for learning not stupid comments that help no one.
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Thanks for your help - PRICELESS!
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My tile crew does resi jobs- Not repairs for commercial hack jobs.
so you have a tile crew but can't diagnose what repairs are needed?


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Smartass - go waste someone else's time - Forums are for learning not stupid comments that help no one.
is this your first time on the internet?
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Chill out, guys.

If it's a hack job, it needs to come out and be completely redone properly if you're going to offer anything more than a taillight warranty. If you have competent tile guys on staff, they know what it takes to do that, regardless of whether it's residential or commercial.

If they don't, then sub it out to someone who does.
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Every pipe/drain basically is sitting on tile and not sealed. Previous contractors were using speedset and kept trying to patch over and over.

Any solutions to get this to stop leaking?
Sealed pipe?

Stop what from leaking? The pipes?

Hell yeah I know how to do that. You want me to come bid it for you?

The floor flexes. Yes, I know how to stiffen floors. Do you? Do you want me to give you a 4 year apprenticeship right here on this forum?

Wood coving probably doesn't meet Health Dept Regulations. Certainly wouldn't here. Do I know how to meet Health Regs? Sure, I do it all the time.

Do you want me to walk you through this project? How much money do have, 'cause I ain't cheap.
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Hey Guys wanted to see recommendations. This is a existing restaurant with 18x18 tiles on the ground floor (wood molding as cove base).

Subfloor: Plywood w/ mesh and thinset (speedset were repairs are done)
Tiles are cracking all over - floor has flex to it.
Grout: reg sanded grout
Note: all plumbing and cove base tiles (stacked) in back of house are done incorrectly.

Now the best part - the basement floods everytime they wash the floor upstairs. Every pipe/drain basically is sitting on tile and not sealed. Previous contractors were using speedset and kept trying to patch over and over.

Any solutions to get this to stop leaking?
You don't see the irony in taking over a hacked job and not knowing prior to doing so how to fix it? What do you think the guy before you did?

My guess is your own resi-guys don't have the skillset to do it, and you're not clear either or what products to use... This will either be a School of Hard Knocks scenario (we've all been there in one form or another BTW) and potentially turn into a cluster, or as a GC, you'll sub-contract it out to someone who knows the answers to your questions to get it done right... THEY'RE the ones you should be asking...

I'm trying to figure out how you spec'd and priced the job in the first place without knowing what actually needed to be done and what products to use... or are you in that phase right now? If so, your first priority is finding a company that can perform what needs to be done, not learning as you go, asking questions on the internet, or watching a YouTube video because this can potentially be an expensive mistake if not done right... be sure your insurances are in order...

If your not in the spec phase, and you're already under contract, here's hoping you charged enough to be able to sub it out to someone who can do the job while still making money...
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The restaurant probably got the existing situation because of what they were willing to pay and the limited time frame/hours to get it done.
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Hey Guys wanted to see recommendations. This is a existing restaurant with 18x18 tiles on the ground floor (wood molding as cove base).

Subfloor: Plywood w/ mesh and thinset (speedset were repairs are done)
Tiles are cracking all over - floor has flex to it.
Grout: reg sanded grout
Note: all plumbing and cove base tiles (stacked) in back of house are done incorrectly.

Now the best part - the basement floods everytime they wash the floor upstairs. Every pipe/drain basically is sitting on tile and not sealed. Previous contractors were using speedset and kept trying to patch over and over.

Any solutions to get this to stop leaking?
I dunno....perhaps replace all the grout with flexcolor CQ...but then again, aren't you supposed to use epoxy grout for sanitary reasons? Don't guarantee the results, though.
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I dunno....perhaps replace all the grout with flexcolor CQ...but then again, aren't you supposed to use epoxy grout for sanitary reasons? Don't guarantee the results, though.


Sounds like it needs a bit more than grout.



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This is a complete tear out job boss. Down to the subfloor. Stiffen up the floor from below. Thinset down a new layer of 1/2" Hardie board over the whole thing, perpendicular to and seamed on the joists.

Then install tile properly
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This is a complete tear out job boss. Down to the subfloor. Stiffen up the floor from below. Thinset down a new layer of 1/2" Hardie board over the whole thing, perpendicular to and seamed on the joists.

Then install tile properly
Hardie, Durock and wonder board have zero structural properties so seams and direction don’t matter. Problem is framing and subfloor
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Hardie, Durock and wonder board have zero structural properties so seams and direction donít matter. Problem is framing and subfloor
Although I'm not sure I agree with your first clause, it's a moot point anyway. I said that floor needs to be stiffened from below before anything else goes down.

I don't think anybody should be relying on Hardie Backer board to hold up a house, but I fail to see how cementing down any material perpendicular to the joists wouldn't provide at least some strengthening. But again, neither here nor there. The cement board is how I've been laying tile for 15 years and once that floor is stiffened up, it's how I would prepare the room for proper tile adhesion.
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I once did a tile repair job for a restaurant patio, which was to repair the cracked tiles they identified and then give a price. The lesson I learned is to mark every single one and/or count them ALL in question, mutually, before the quote, and then give an add-on price for every additional tile they seem to find before you're done. CYA.
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Although I'm not sure I agree with your first clause, it's a moot point anyway. I said that floor needs to be stiffened from below before anything else goes down.

I don't think anybody should be relying on Hardie Backer board to hold up a house, but I fail to see how cementing down any material perpendicular to the joists wouldn't provide at least some strengthening. But again, neither here nor there. The cement board is how I've been laying tile for 15 years and once that floor is stiffened up, it's how I would prepare the room for proper tile adhesion.
Yeah there seems to be a lot wrong with this floor but the cement boards just hold the tile down. Oddly enough I read something a few years ago saying the 2nd layer of plywood should not have the seams end on a joist, they should be centered between the joist. The flexing will be minimized, but I have never done it that way
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Where in New Jersey?
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I hear this stuff called flex seal can repair pipes in minutes. worked on t.v.

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Ndabaria... In Da Baria... gotta' be in part of Union, Essex or Camden...

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