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Old 02-11-2019, 11:11 PM   #21
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Its not to pretend I'm smart. I live by it. I sub out what I am not excellent at. I have plenty of work, I make money off my subs, and I care about my reputation. If you want to run your mouth about my feedback how about a picture of this "professional" install
There's lots of things I do today, that I once wasn't proficient at. Thankfully there were men willing to take the time to answer my questions instead of being flippant smart asses when I asked those questions.

I'm glad a lot of people are intimidated by laying hardwood floor because it keeps me working. But truth be told, I can teach nearly any monkey to lay hardwood floor. It's really not that hard. (physically hard, yes, but not carpentry hard) Laying over concrete has a few more difficulties, but if a man has the ability to build a house, he's got the skillset to lay hardwood over concrete, he just needed a little advice on the subject, not talked down to.

I didn't know **** about running a 5 head moulding machine, but that didn't keep Darcy & rainman from steering me in the right direction & helping me make good decisions.
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:02 AM   #22
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There's lots of things I do today, that I once wasn't proficient at. Thankfully there were men willing to take the time to answer my questions instead of being flippant smart asses when I asked those questions.

I'm glad a lot of people are intimidated by laying hardwood floor because it keeps me working. But truth be told, I can teach nearly any monkey to lay hardwood floor. It's really not that hard. (physically hard, yes, but not carpentry hard) Laying over concrete has a few more difficulties, but if a man has the ability to build a house, he's got the skillset to lay hardwood over concrete, he just needed a little advice on the subject, not talked down to.

I didn't know **** about running a 5 head moulding machine, but that didn't keep Darcy & rainman from steering me in the right direction & helping me make good decisions.
Thats a good point
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Blue tape is sufficient, don't be stingy with it & don't be wallering the flooring on wet glue. I haven't used the glue you're using, so what's the label say about laying into a skin coat? I know Bosticks best can be laid wet or skined. I prefered to lay into a skin because it didn't slip around as much.
Bostiks Best is what I have used worked very well but the stuff tended to jump out of the can and get all over the place. That is the stickiest glue I have ever seen. Seemed like I spent more time cleaning until I got the hang of it. Working in 2-3 ft sections worked well with 5/4 x 3 strapping holding it tight until it set.
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First off sorry I got snappy.
If someone has advice im VERY appreciative, but to assume I dont have any experience and to just comment on that point alone without a solution is arrogant and ignorant which I have time for neither.

My lead installer is experienced but not as much in concrete installation.I wasnt there when he "started"( all boards were pulled back up) so wasnt able to assess the situation in person.
It is above grade, did not seal it.
We are using bostic duragrip.
We are doing a wet lay.
What does it mean to have the tongue or groove toward the glue? And which should I do in this situation?

We have done it before many times with no problems but he said it just would not. stay together and there were small separation gaps.
Sorry not sorry...that was funny!

Sounds like it may have skimmed a bit? When you lay the board in install it wants to go back to the position in which it first made contact. Pin is right, blue tape (and plenty of it) will work. I will also use ratchet straps to hold it down in a large area as I work across the room.
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Wet lay is incredibly hard to get tight & stay tight. Prefinish, or site sand? Always lay wet lay backwards. Push the tongue into the groove instead of conventional, otherwise you'll be plowing glue into the groove & never get it tight.

Prefinish, tape is your only real way to keep joints closed & don't be wallering around on flooring that's already laid. Never lay more than 2' at a time without securly anchoring the laid flooring. I prefer to lay 2' & get it tight & let the glue set before going further, otherwise you'll waller it out of position. If you don't have a long reach hardwood floor jack, get one so you can push the flooring tight together. If the floor is site sand, get it tight & lay scraps perpendicular & screw them down to hold the floor tight so you can keep laying beyond 2' at a time. The screw holes can be filled when you put down your trowlable filler.




One more thing, if you don't have a commercial hot glue gun like a pam tite, get one. Use hot glue & floor glue on the starter plank. Lay it the day before you want to start laying so you have a good first course anchor. You can also use the hot glue on the last course of your 2' run to anchor the wet laid progress till the glue sets. Glue down floor is not a money maker by the sq ft, it's really hard to make good time.

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Good man!

This site would be worthless if everyone just pretended they’d never had a project get away from them.

Never laid on concrete, have a future project I’ll be adding 2 layers 1/2 ply to first.

Found this video a while ago, makes installing hardwood over Crete look like a real craft.


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So one problem was the floor wasn't level enough so I ended up leveling the floor with leveling compound, then laying some osb on top of that so we could pin the corners of the boards, which worked... BUT...

First i tried installing the OSB with my ramset and liquid nail, but that wasn't holding it tight because even though we used the #4 blanks for concrete slab it wouldn't shoot nails deep enough and was cracking the concrete too much and felt like the shorter nails might come up after a few years. So I used 400 concrete screws lol. That was a lot of work, I ended up doing it myself while they worked on the other portion of the home that was ply sub floor, (which we replaced top layer of subfloor in whole lower level of the house (1600 sq ft) because it ended up being particle board).

This project did not go smoothly but its good now and the homeowners are super happy and so am I.

Thanks to EVERYONE who took their time to try to help. I read all of the replies, just couldn't reply to all.
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Good stuff gentlemen. Normally when someone gets snippy the thread goes off the rails and ends up in the sh!tter. Glad to see some quality advice traded.
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So one problem was the floor wasn't level enough so I ended up leveling the floor with leveling compound, then laying some osb on top of that so we could pin the corners of the boards, which worked... BUT...

First i tried installing the OSB with my ramset and liquid nail, but that wasn't holding it tight because even though we used the #4 blanks for concrete slab it wouldn't shoot nails deep enough and was cracking the concrete too much and felt like the shorter nails might come up after a few years. So I used 400 concrete screws lol. That was a lot of work, I ended up doing it myself while they worked on the other portion of the home that was ply sub floor, (which we replaced top layer of subfloor in whole lower level of the house (1600 sq ft) because it ended up being particle board).

This project did not go smoothly but its good now and the homeowners are super happy and so am I.

Thanks to EVERYONE who took their time to try to help. I read all of the replies, just couldn't reply to all.
So no worries on OSB over Concrete? I would be afraid that garbage would rot from the moisture wicking up through the concrete.
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So no worries on OSB over Concrete? I would be afraid that garbage would rot from the moisture wicking up through the concrete.
OSB or plywood I wouldn't do it without a vapor barrier.
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OSB or plywood I wouldn't do it without a vapor barrier.
Plywood is just more stable and not as prone to rot and deteriorating. There is so much organic glue in OSB it would keep me up at night waiting for the call that the floor was failing.
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I was going to put down blue poly plastic. I had some left over from a laminate job. But I was more worried of it popping up or being spongy in some places if I didnt use glue

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Plywood is just more stable and not as prone to rot and deteriorating. There is so much organic glue in OSB it would keep me up at night waiting for the call that the floor was failing.
Nah they would be calling due to the crunching sound of loose screws and broken concrete.

On my own house roofers came with a stack of OSB had them haul it back down and get plywood.
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Nah they would be calling due to the crunching sound of loose screws and broken concrete.

On my own house roofers came with a stack of OSB had them haul it back down and get plywood.
I was encompassing any type of floor failure.
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Thanks Ed, now do you have a solution or are you just sticking your nose into something it doesn't belong?
I'm a general contractor that has run into a problem. No I am not a master of every trade that my employees do. But I also don't go around posting stuff to pretend I'm smart.
I agree with you,,,but I rather call a 800 tech, line on the material you're using and ask them. They rested it and know what works. And you dont have to put up with snotty comments. Good luck.
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Lol good advice. But people are really just implying A LOT when reading that post. I was not there at the job. And figured out what was wrong within 30 mins of being there. Hoping for some ideas from some REAL contractors with REAL experience.

One day I'll have enough time and money and have fulfilled all of my dreams so then I can troll the forums to leave snotty comments.
I'll go to forums I have no clue about, do 2 mins of research and post non real world info to people.
Like "you shouldn't do that cause u suck."
Or "hey dick what's your deal? u should have held your pinky in the air when tightening that bolt or else it will fail, IVE SEEN IT IN REAL LIFE! Gah! YOUR SO INEXPERIENCED!!"
I'll never give any good advice!
THE tradition should not die with the set of trolls that will die in 20 years.

But that will be hard not to really give any good advice, because like these guys, by the time I'm that age I'll know everything!!!.

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Lol good advice. But people are really just implying A LOT when reading that post. I was not there at the job. And figured out what was wrong within 30 mins of being there. Hoping for some ideas from some REAL contractors with REAL experience.

One day I'll have enough time and money and have fulfilled all of my dreams so then I can troll the forums to leave snotty comments.
I'll go to forums I have no clue about, do 2 mins of research and post non real world info to people.
Like "you shouldn't do that cause u suck."
Or "hey dick what's your deal? u should have held your pinky in the air when tightening that bolt or else it will fail, IVE SEEN IT IN REAL LIFE! Gah! YOUR SO INEXPERIENCED!!"
I'll never give any good advice!
THE tradition should not die with the set of trolls that will die in 20 years.

But that will be hard not to really give any good advice, because like these guys, by the time I'm that age I'll know everything!!!.
We can't imply anything. We are infering, which is to conclude based on evidence. We can only infer from the information you have provided. You got plenty of advice, despite being a little biatch about it, from REAL contractors. Contractors that have a chit ton more experience and expertise than you. Maybe the lesson is before you go online and ask for advice you go to the site and get more information. Seems like you jumped the gun and didn't have the information...

Maybe one day you will learn how to be humble and not be so dammn sensitive. It's construction, grow a pair or find a safe space like a knitting forum.

You sound like a butt hurt millennial who probably shouldn't be in the trades. Next time, drop the purse and put on your big boys pants before asking a bunch of REAL PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTORS how to fix a problem you haven't even seen in person.
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Lol good advice. But people are really just implying A LOT when reading that post. I was not there at the job. And figured out what was wrong within 30 mins of being there. Hoping for some ideas from some REAL contractors with REAL experience.

One day I'll have enough time and money and have fulfilled all of my dreams so then I can troll the forums to leave snotty comments.
I'll go to forums I have no clue about, do 2 mins of research and post non real world info to people.
Like "you shouldn't do that cause u suck."
Or "hey dick what's your deal? u should have held your pinky in the air when tightening that bolt or else it will fail, IVE SEEN IT IN REAL LIFE! Gah! YOUR SO INEXPERIENCED!!"
I'll never give any good advice!
THE tradition should not die with the set of trolls that will die in 20 years.

But that will be hard not to really give any good advice, because like these guys, by the time I'm that age I'll know everything!!!.
We can't imply anything. We are infering, which is to conclude based on evidence. We can only infer from the information you have provided. You got plenty of advice, despite being a little biatch about it, from REAL contractors. Contractors that have a chit ton more experience and expertise than you. Maybe the lesson is before you go online and ask for advice you go to the site and get more information. Seems like you jumped the gun and didn't have the information...

Maybe one day you will learn how to be humble and not be so dammn sensitive. It's construction, grow a pair or find a safe space like a knitting forum.

You sound like a butt hurt millennial who probably shouldn't be in the trades. Next time, drop the purse and put on your big boys pants before asking a bunch of REAL PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTORS how to fix a problem you haven't even seen in person.
OHHH SHIZ!!! YOUR ONE OF THEM LOL. HAHA just read some of your post bro.

Anyway, hey man u go ahead and do that. If this is your dream or u if you have already fulfilled your dream then get it bro! Correct grammar and such. We need those people so we can appreciate each other more. No hate here lol.
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And TNT services I normally dont respond to internet warriors like you and Ed. Just figured there would be more of comrodery among contractors. Well I thought this was a real contractors forum, but I see now anyone can join.

And everyone who gave real advice to me saw how appreciative I was. Just people like you who get called out for what u are get upset.
Lol I love it.
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And TNT services I normally dont respond to internet warriors like you and Ed. Just figured there would be more of comrodery among contractors. Well I thought this was a real contractors forum, but I see now anyone can join.

And everyone who gave real advice to me saw how appreciative I was. Just people like you who get called out for what u are get upset.
Lol I love it.
Rob TNT is a real contractor and a dickhead. He grows on you though and is really a good guy as long as you don't try and debate with him.

Shaggy, you seem like you really caught feelings here. Don't look for help then get all feely when you get it. Toughen up son...

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And TNT services I normally dont respond to internet warriors like you and Ed. Just figured there would be more of comrodery among contractors. Well I thought this was a real contractors forum, but I see now anyone can join.

And everyone who gave real advice to me saw how appreciative I was. Just people like you who get called out for what u are get upset.
Lol I love it.
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