Knife Marks On Trim - Flooring - Contractor Talk

Knife Marks On Trim

 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 07-12-2012, 06:09 AM   #1
Pro
 
Paintpimp's Avatar
 
Trade: Paint
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 124
Rewards Points: 75

Knife Marks On Trim


A little introduction, I'm a paint rep for a large paint company.

A builder of mine paints his trim and then has the carpeting installed. After the install he has to repaint all the trim again. The knives the layers are using leaves metallic or black marks on the trim and doesnt come off.

Is there a knife brand out there that doesnt do this?
They've tried duct tape on the knife to create a barrier and this left marks too, they were going to try tyvek tape next.

Is it a procedure error on the layers part?

Is it my paints fault?

Is it just part of life and needs to be redone each time?

Thanks for your help.
Paintpimp is offline  

Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. ContractorTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

   

Advertisement

 

Old 07-12-2012, 06:13 AM   #2
Pro
 
summithomeinc's Avatar
 
Trade: Painter/Handyman
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Cumming, Ga.
Posts: 2,768
Rewards Points: 2,422

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


Quote:
Originally Posted by Paintpimp View Post
A little introduction, I'm a paint rep for a large paint company.

A builder of mine paints his trim and then has the carpeting installed. After the install he has to repaint all the trim again. The knives the layers are using leaves metallic or black marks on the trim and doesnt come off.

Is there a knife brand out there that doesnt do this?
They've tried duct tape on the knife to create a barrier and this left marks too, they were going to try tyvek tape next.

Is it a procedure error on the layers part?

Is it my paints fault?

Is it just part of life and needs to be redone each time?

Thanks for your help.
Get new installers. If it was all stained trim would they be beating it up with their tools? If they did they would be buying it. Lazy or inept installers is the issue.

Advertisement

__________________
I need more tools.
summithomeinc is offline  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to summithomeinc For This Useful Post:
hdavis (07-12-2012), J M J (08-01-2012), MALCO.New.York (07-16-2012), Paintpimp (07-13-2012)
Old 07-12-2012, 06:31 AM   #3
Pro
 
r4r&r's Avatar
 
Trade: Contractor
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Richardson, Tx
Posts: 1,182
Rewards Points: 500

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


Yep agree. I haven't done any serious carpet work in over 20 years I can install without damaging trim finish. Also I would be back charging the hell out of those installers as well.
r4r&r is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to r4r&r For This Useful Post:
donerightwyo (07-12-2012), hdavis (07-12-2012), Paintpimp (07-13-2012)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 07-12-2012, 06:45 AM   #4
Flooring Installer
 
rusty baker's Avatar
 
Trade: flooring
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Missouri
Posts: 791
Rewards Points: 100

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


Yep, get new installers or teach these guys how to trim. A trimmer would work wonders. The installers are just laying their knife sideways and cutting against the trim. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
__________________
Flooring installer since 1973

Armstrong certified
rusty baker is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to rusty baker For This Useful Post:
Paintpimp (07-13-2012)
Old 07-12-2012, 06:48 AM   #5
Groutface
 
Groutface's Avatar
 
Trade: flooring installer
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: windsor ontario
Posts: 824
Rewards Points: 524

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


Picture would be good but,definitely installer fault.....sounds more like a electric stapler too close to trim ehil stapling.......but they shouldn't be stapling anyway,unless its steps and stringers or upholstering something......
Groutface is offline  
Old 07-12-2012, 07:01 AM   #6
Pro
 
TimelessQuality's Avatar
 
Trade: GC/Remodeling
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Central America (Kansas)
Posts: 4,732
Rewards Points: 1,730

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


ditto on the installers technique..

Just a side note though, blue painters tape on my saw base will protect most surfaces.
__________________
-Steve

'It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.'-Thomas Sowell
TimelessQuality is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to TimelessQuality For This Useful Post:
Paintpimp (07-13-2012), We Fix Houses (07-12-2012)
Old 07-12-2012, 10:53 AM   #7
Pro
 
hdavis's Avatar
 
Trade: remodeling
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: CoastalME
Posts: 24,294
Rewards Points: 1,116

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


If I'm concerned I may damage trim on an install, I have a few small pieces of 1/8" hard board I can place as I go.

Could be the stretcher they're using, but there is still no excuse..
hdavis is online now  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to hdavis For This Useful Post:
HollywoodFloors (07-17-2012), Paintpimp (07-13-2012)
Old 07-12-2012, 11:11 AM   #8
Pro
 
r4r&r's Avatar
 
Trade: Contractor
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Richardson, Tx
Posts: 1,182
Rewards Points: 500

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


Quote:
Originally Posted by hdavis
If I'm concerned I may damage trim on an install, I have a few small pieces of 1/8" hard board I can place as I go.

Could be the stretcher they're using, but there is still no excuse..
My guess is they use a stair tool to tuck around perimeter. They could spend a few bucks on a proper tool for that, hell the GC would probably pay for it if he didn't have to repaint base again.
r4r&r is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to r4r&r For This Useful Post:
Paintpimp (07-13-2012)
Old 07-12-2012, 01:30 PM   #9
Groutface
 
Groutface's Avatar
 
Trade: flooring installer
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: windsor ontario
Posts: 824
Rewards Points: 524

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


Quote:
Originally Posted by r4r&r

My guess is they use a stair tool to tuck around perimeter. They could spend a few bucks on a proper tool for that, hell the GC would probably pay for it if he didn't have to repaint base again.
I use stair tool........you use banana knife? I know the guy who trained me uses banana knife.......still being pretty careless if stair tool is used.....thumbsup
Groutface is offline  
Old 07-12-2012, 01:36 PM   #10
Pro
 
donerightwyo's Avatar
 
Trade: custom builder
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,816
Rewards Points: 346

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


My bet is their wall trimmer has lost its plastic on the runner. There's no way to fix it but by a new one and keep it clean. Any tape just wears through and makes a bigger mess eventually.
donerightwyo is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to donerightwyo For This Useful Post:
Paintpimp (07-13-2012), Railman (07-17-2012)
Old 07-12-2012, 02:13 PM   #11
Pro
 
r4r&r's Avatar
 
Trade: Contractor
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Richardson, Tx
Posts: 1,182
Rewards Points: 500

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


Quote:
Originally Posted by Groutface

I use stair tool........you use banana knife? I know the guy who trained me uses banana knife.......still being pretty careless if stair tool is used.....thumbsup
Depends on how you use the stair tool and how right tack strip is to the wall and base to floor. If you are just slamming it down with your hand u can damage the base pretty good. If you're using a mallet then shouldn't do anything. If the base is high enough just run it flat with the corner stuffing the carpet under the trim. Either way how hard is it to see you're trashing the base and figure it out and don't do it that way.
Most of my carpet days were relays from water damage. Done a little new install but not much.
r4r&r is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to r4r&r For This Useful Post:
Groutface (07-12-2012), Paintpimp (07-13-2012)
Old 07-12-2012, 06:23 PM   #12
Flooring Installer
 
rusty baker's Avatar
 
Trade: flooring
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Missouri
Posts: 791
Rewards Points: 100

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


If it is a black scratch, they are probably laying a razor knife on it's side and cutting against the base. It will leave a scratch that looks like a black line all the way down the base from one end to the other. 40 years in this business and have seen many installers trim that way. They don't know if you are going to hand trim, bend the carpet over and cut from the back side.
__________________
Flooring installer since 1973

Armstrong certified
rusty baker is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to rusty baker For This Useful Post:
Paintpimp (07-13-2012)
Old 07-12-2012, 07:04 PM   #13
Groutface
 
Groutface's Avatar
 
Trade: flooring installer
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: windsor ontario
Posts: 824
Rewards Points: 524

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


Quote:
Originally Posted by rusty baker
If it is a black scratch, they are probably laying a razor knife on it's side and cutting against the base. It will leave a scratch that looks like a black line all the way down the base from one end to the other. 40 years in this business and have seen many installers trim that way. They don't know if you are going to hand trim, bend the carpet over and cut from the back side.
That's crazy......y use the base.......greenhorns......laughing.......5 different ways u could do it without ****in up.......sad
Groutface is offline  
Old 07-12-2012, 10:45 PM   #14
Pro
 
bconley's Avatar
 
Trade: Kitchen and bath design+remodel
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Vashon
Posts: 967
Rewards Points: 500

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


I mask off the base with cardboard before the carpet installers get there, just the rough backing of the carpet scraping against the baseboards ruins the paint.
Its a pain but less of a pain repainting and worrying about back charges.
__________________

bconley is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to bconley For This Useful Post:
Paintpimp (07-13-2012)
Old 07-13-2012, 06:17 AM   #15
Pro
 
Paintpimp's Avatar
 
Trade: Paint
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 124
Rewards Points: 75

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


I don't have a picture. It's definetly a metallic/gray look. Sounds like its a technique and craftsmanship issue. Next house I'll take a picture and post it to this thread and gather your responses. You guys are great thanks again!
Paintpimp is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Paintpimp For This Useful Post:
Groutface (07-13-2012)
Old 07-16-2012, 11:00 PM   #16
Handle It!
 
MALCO.New.York's Avatar
 
Trade: Everything The Union Guys Do Not Want To Do
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Brooklyn, NY ~ Haverford, PA
Posts: 9,588
Rewards Points: 2,000

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


Musta got lost in Translation...
__________________
Something to One may be Nothing to another!

Ultimate Wisdom---------
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW-cnizLDEE
MALCO.New.York is offline  
Old 07-17-2012, 06:21 AM   #17
Registered User
 
Allfloorremoval's Avatar
 
Trade: Flooring
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 4
Rewards Points: 10

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


Two weeks a helper then "poof" the think they are mechanics!!!!
Allfloorremoval is offline  
Old 07-17-2012, 11:35 AM   #18
Pro
 
Railman's Avatar
 
Trade: Railing
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 2,375
Rewards Points: 601

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


Quote:
Originally Posted by donerightwyo View Post
My bet is their wall trimmer has lost its plastic on the runner. There's no way to fix it but by a new one and keep it clean. Any tape just wears through and makes a bigger mess eventually.
When I asked a good installer what causes this, he said the same thing. The edge trimmer, or whatever it's called, has worn out plastic protector. Once it's worn out, it's metal on paint.

Joe
Railman is offline  
Old 07-17-2012, 12:03 PM   #19
Flooring Installer
 
rusty baker's Avatar
 
Trade: flooring
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Missouri
Posts: 791
Rewards Points: 100

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


Quote:
Originally Posted by Railman View Post
When I asked a good installer what causes this, he said the same thing. The edge trimmer, or whatever it's called, has worn out plastic protector. Once it's worn out, it's metal on paint.

Joe
That's possible, but I have a trimmer I have used since 1983. It came out without a plastic on the edge and has never left marks.
__________________
Flooring installer since 1973

Armstrong certified
rusty baker is offline  
Old 07-17-2012, 04:22 PM   #20
Groutface
 
Groutface's Avatar
 
Trade: flooring installer
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: windsor ontario
Posts: 824
Rewards Points: 524

Re: Knife Marks On Trim


Quote:
Originally Posted by rusty baker

That's possible, but I have a trimmer I have used since 1983. It came out without a plastic on the edge and has never left marks.
My Roberts gt has no plastic either.....thumbsup

Advertisement

Groutface is offline  


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Another Azek trim ? (Lone) redwood Carpentry 26 03-08-2015 03:12 PM
Trim carpenter to Trim contractor, pros and cons ? GregThCarpenter General Discussion 26 05-17-2012 08:36 PM
Installing new floors, with old trim Scoots Flooring 31 03-29-2012 03:02 PM
Funny Craigslist ad for paint work... Splinter Painting & Finish Work 14 06-10-2009 05:43 AM
Custom Trim jfrench General Discussion 11 04-12-2009 08:44 PM

Join Now... It's Fast and FREE!

I am a professional contractor
I am a DIY Homeowner
Drywall Talk is for
PROFESSIONAL CONTRACTORS ONLY!

At DrywallTalk.com we cater exlusivly to professional contractors who make their living as a contractor. Knowing that many homeowners and DIYers are looking for a community to call home, we've created www.DIYChatroom.com DIY Chatroom is full of helpful advices and perfect for DIY homeowners.

Redirecing in 10 seconds
No Thanks
terms of service

Already Have an Account?