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Old 06-25-2015, 08:46 PM   #1
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Hi, I'm applying some of the behr epoxy concrete/garage floor paint for the first time tomorrow and just looking for some feedback. This is going to be in a remodeled basement office space and hence no cars on it, only foot traffic. With that being the case is it still a good idea to do a second coat or will one suffice? Secondly, it's an old house and the floor has some hairline cracks throughout- is this stuff thick enough to fill them in or is it too runny? Thanks!
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Why are you experimenting on a customer's house?

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Nope, won't hide cracks,It will end up peeling in various spots. Not really a professional product or a professional applying. Proper equipment and materials are high dollar, shotblasters ,etc.

Your basically painting the floor. Second coats you need to go by directions, there's windows for reapplication on some products and rejection situations for others.

Money is good for a professional epoxy applicator, but many unprofessionals make failure look eminent.

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Thanks Mike for the feedback. TNT, I'm so thrilled you've asked such a blatantly loaded question. But since you've asked it's a project for an older neighbor of mine that I'm doing for peanuts to help them out. I can only hope this warrants your approval.
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Yeah, I did my moms garage years ago, peeled around water tank, maybe it was still wet from acid wash(and rinse and rise) had to edit!The stuff doesn't stick to moisture. So if you wash it and think it's dry, it's not. I've seen many flat out failures of product for numerous reasons. Looks good temporarily.

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I can only hope this warrants your approval.
I doubt it.
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Thanks Mike for the feedback. TNT, I'm so thrilled you've asked such a blatantly loaded question. But since you've asked it's a project for an older neighbor of mine that I'm doing for peanuts to help them out. I can only hope this warrants your approval.
It wasn't loaded, just to the point. I think its terrible that you would experiment with products you have never used before on anyone's home you are being compensated for. Especially for peanuts. What happens when the floor fails? You have no money to warranty it.

Sorry, I don't help others mess up someone's house. These products are about the prep and knowledge on working times and application for the situation. Hire a epoxy flooring company.
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TNT, I think it's irrational, egotistical, and snooty of you to give me crap for not using top dollar supplies and/or outsourcing for specialists in this application. That's great whenever the customer wants and can afford that optimal level of repair but it isn't an option for everyone all the time. I work on old-ass houses in the city where people usually don't have much money but sometimes their places get so bad that they are forced to do some kind of moderate repair. I try to offer the best that I can within the means available. If this offends you then don't chime in on my posts.
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I think I would skip the epoxy and just roll out an oil based floor paint like Glidden porch and floor.
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TNT, I think it's irrational, egotistical, and snooty of you to give me crap for not using top dollar supplies and/or outsourcing for specialists in this application. That's great whenever the customer wants and can afford that optimal level of repair but it isn't an option for everyone all the time. I work on old-ass houses in the city where people usually don't have much money but sometimes their places get so bad that they are forced to do some kind of moderate repair. I try to offer the best that I can within the means available. If this offends you then don't chime in on my posts.
Price wasn't the subject at all, but you experimenting in people's homes. Where did I say you had to do anything you listed?

EDIT: when someone cannot afford something done the right way they don't get it.
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Do a moisture test on the basement floor - the directions for the paint describe how to do it. If the test fails (likely in many basements) then you shouldn't install the paint. There are some other products (some of the urethanes, I think, and also much more expensive) that will do OK on a floor with humidity.

If the floor is dry enough, and you go ahead with it, you should make sure that your customer understands that the HD products are paints - they're not flooring systems.
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Absolutely agree, I didn't catch basement.

Basements are the most severe grade for water issues. What is down now? Concrete is probably contaminated with an adhesive, and relying on a moisture barrier underneath that is not compromised, it's a big gamble, epoxy can be formulated to suppress moisture after shot blasting, and then other products can be used, but relying on the behr product, it's almost certain to fail.

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I've used many new products in customer's homes. Heck, I've probably used 10 different kinds of decking on other people's homes and not on mine.

Today I used a thinset I've never used before on a tile I've never installed before on a cbu that I've never used in my own home. I also installed cabinets that I never put in my own home. It's been a heck of a day.

To the OP. I'm not a big fan of Behr products in general. It think they're at the very bottom of the quality pool. Epoxy floor coating is generally very thin so I wouldn't expect it to fill any cracks. You should follow manufacturers directions with any new product and try to work up a sample whenever possible. Contaminants in the existing floor might cause your coating to have poor adhesion and start failing.
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I've used many new products in customer's homes. Heck, I've probably used 10 different kinds of decking on other people's homes and not on mine.

Today I used a thinset I've never used before on a tile I've never installed before on a cbu that I've never used in my own home. I also installed cabinets that I never put in my own home. It's been a heck of a day.

To the OP. I'm not a big fan of Behr products in general. It think they're at the very bottom of the quality pool. Epoxy floor coating is generally very thin so I wouldn't expect it to fill any cracks. You should follow manufacturers directions with any new product and try to work up a sample whenever possible. Contaminants in the existing floor might cause your coating to have poor adhesion and start failing.
I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison. Would you hire someone to waterproof a shower who got an Internet education.

I don't think changing a product line is the same as using a product you have never used before are the same. Different decking and a change in thinset brand or mix just isn't comparable.

I find it funny that a lot of you guys have become soft on stuff like this. I know for a fact that in the past some of you have had the same position.
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He's probably applied paint before. It's a coating, not a shower. I applied epoxy floor paint for the first time, for money, in a similar situation. I made sure to look up proper prep and follow manufacturer specs. If it fails, I'll go fix it or pony up for a pro.

I don't think I'm getting "softer" but I've noticed that you seem to be getting less tolerant and more presumptuous. It's a mistake to assume that all contractors can meet your criteria when you specifically pride yourself on doing top quality work. Many companies provide good value, and leave a trail of happy customers, by providing mediocre work. This isn't a forum for mid-to-high end residential contractors, it's for all contractors. My 2 cents.
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He's probably applied paint before. It's a coating, not a shower. I applied epoxy floor paint for the first time, for money, in a similar situation. I made sure to look up proper prep and follow manufacturer specs. If it fails, I'll go fix it or pony up for a pro.

I don't think I'm getting "softer" but I've noticed that you seem to be getting less tolerant and more presumptuous. It's a mistake to assume that all contractors can meet your criteria when you specifically pride yourself on doing top quality work. Many companies provide good value, and leave a trail of happy customers, by providing mediocre work. This isn't a forum for mid-to-high end residential contractors, it's for all contractors. My 2 cents.
Then you haven't read all the threads I've participated in. I got into it with CO for bagging on someone in the same manner.

Epoxy coating isn't like painting. That's the fallacy in everyone's thinking. They think it's easy as painting.

There is a ton of prep work and ensuring the surface is ready. There proper mixing and application.
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My hesitancy is the basement issue, not much flooring survives, water/moisture wins every time.
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I did epoxy for the first time in a customer's garage, not sure where I else I would have tried it. They knew it was my first time, they used me for years prior and trusted I would do it right. I spoke with the local rep, he informed me how to do the prep, what to watch for, how to treat oil stains, induction time, etc and many years later it looks just as good as the day I applied it. Most floors we do have cracks and aren't perfectly smooth like some where you have that glass like flawless finish but they don't want that (well some do until we discuss the cost in achieving it). I've done many things for the first time in customers homes, I get advice from experienced people on it if necessary and learn from the experience.
Back on topic, I'm not sure what the home Depot stuff costs but I know I can get a 2 gallon kit of polyamide epoxy for around $100, either Coronado or Ben Moore.
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I know I'm a little late and you probably have the project complete by now. A lot of the replies here are very helpful and insightful, but since you said you were on a budget, I would stay away from anything BEHR makes, you'll only be sinking money down the drain with expensive low quality paint. I understand where your coming from, your looking for an inexpensive route for your clients floor. I've been in that situation many times to help out some of my neighbors who own liquor stores and gas stations in Detroit that have floors so ugly, you would think an earthquake erupted on them. I was thinking about starting an epoxy business, but the market is very saturated and as many have posted, there are so many people who say they're epoxy installers who say their installers, but dont do any prep work, and use the worst / wrong materials.

If this was my project and I was helping a friend on a budget, I can probably paint a 1000 sq ft of floor with a material cost of 40 cents cents a sq ft, using halfway decent material, but I don't recommend selling these floors, unless your the type that enjoys sleeping with monsters under the bed. But as many have stated, check the condensation, epoxy hates moisture. If you dont have a good water test kit, they cost like $400, then use your best judgement, concrete always has that weird mildue smell when its been wet for a while, so before you waste any money on epoxy make sure your surface is reliable.

Make sure you have an angle grinder, and buy one of those diamond cup wheels. I would recommend renting a concrete polisher with specific pads, unless you dont mind working on knees.
So lets burn our angel grinder out, and grind out all the cracks, use your cup wheel to level out the rigid crack / high / low spots. Grind the whole surface down to get rid of any defects / and imperfections to make it somewhat smooth. Like I said, we are on a budget, so I would instead of going out and buying those expensive overrated 2 tube epoxy crack fillers, that almost never hold up, I would use CAR BONDO! as my crack filler, its really easy and cheap, great for filling cracks and filling craters in the concrete. After you applied your bondo, use the concrete cup wheel to smooth / flush your bondo with the concrete so you have an even surface. This is a very dusty process so make sure you have a shop vac to help clean up.

Try to find a good epoxy, 2 part A and B, 100% solids is ideal. Call a local paint shop that imports it from China / Canada. I pay around $37 a gallon for a good canadian brand. Or try to make a deal with PPG 2 part 100% solids i get around $42. If your doing a light color with special effects in it, I'd do two coats. But if it's just going to be a simple floor, you can do good with just one coat of a darker color.

Be sure to vacuum everything before installing. As I said before, I do not recommend selling these floors, but using good judgement and the right product, I have had these floor last 5-8 years still looking great. It's a great alternative to covering a crap concrete surface. If anyone wants advice how to install decorative concrete / epoxy. I have over 8 years in poly concrete. feel free to message me, i dont mind helping a fellow contractor.

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