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Old 06-30-2013, 08:59 AM   #61
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yes i have bits that cut dovetail joints ive used them building furniture.

for a lack of a better word at the time i used the term "wedge bond"

referring to the same principle my grandfather used when he nailed

wood lathe to walls and applied mortar to them. the mortar obviously

doesnt stick well to the wood its the principle of "wedging" or "dove tail

jointing" itself to the joints that holds the mortar on the wood. so

thinking about that i can now imagine how mortar sticks to plastic. ok i

get that. i get the principle of the floor moving independently of the tile.

i just dont completely understand how the small amount of mortar under

the tile is enough to make the floor stable after movement and foot

traffic. it must be some really, technically proficient mortar that just

really holds itself together. . that is a really nice looking shower. ive

only used that kind of drain outside never inside in a shower. i like that.

so back to the ditra. unless its some historic house where you are applying

very expensive or unique flooring that is to last thirty or more years i

can see where spending all this extra money to have the absolute most

current, best technology.. assuming in thirty years this small amount of

badass mortar underneath the tile sticking it to the plastic by means of dove

tail still holds up. .. but most of the peope i have tiled for after about

fifteen yrs want something newer to match the jones new tile they just got

and in order to be cool and keep up with the latest looks in their kitchens

and bathrooms. they want it ripped out and modernized. the way i lay tile

using hardibacker, and mastic in the joints. lasts that long and so why

would i spend all this extra money for a more expensive underlayment??

i guess if i tiled everyday i would move to the latest development. i do this

with carpentry and i always buy the latest tools and want the latest fishing reels

and so on so i can see how this would be something i would do if my world was

centered around tile. that is why i shouldnt have commented in the first

place and why these other guys have made me look like an ass because

i didnt know much about the newer tiling methods but i am taking this as

a learning experience and as i said somewhere above. i was wrong. i stand corrected. thanks
Oh fvck right off...paragraphs or gtfo.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:01 AM   #62
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What device are you using that dont allow you to use paragraphs? You on a etch-a-sketch

People use these new products because they work well. Of course CBU can be used if you use the correct methods to attach and water proof the area. I see people screwing down CBU to ply all the time without any mortar between the CBU and Ply. If its done correctly its ok but if its not then no product is gonna work well.

The new products also save you steps. I can put up sheets and then apply a sealant to water proof the joints. There's a large cost saving in labor that offsets the price of the better materials. By the time you have hung half your boards im already starting to apply my sealant and by the time your ready to mastic your joints im tidying up my work area and putting tools away. you still have to let the mastic dry and apply a water proof membrane over the CBU.

Im not a big fan of ditra and kerdi as its way to many steps for what it costs to purchase. Thats why i use Wedi board. Both work great but one is much more simple to install than any other method on the market.
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I'm not going to bitch about your presentation. You'll get it eventually.

For some reason you feel there is a small amount of mortar under the tile. That is not the case, you still need to set at a 90-100% coverage rate. If you set the tile on the Ditra and lift it, there should be full coverage on the back of the tile.

The process choice is yours. I'm just way to old and lazy to carry around cement board. I also like knowing that the install is water proof, before any tile is installed.

You are also fixated on the use of "high tech mortar". The mortar used to set the tile to the Ditra is the most low tech thin set there is. No modifiers what so ever. It's the cheapest on the shelf.

BC, I also install Wedi, I prefer Kerdi board because I don't have to cut the half lap joints and notches. I hate working with the sealant also.

For you Noble fans, what's the required cure time of concrete to set Noble over it? You're correct, the Ditra does not have an ANSI certification, hard to do seeing as there is no ANSI test that can be applied to it. Schulter does certify it to meet all TCNA requirements for over concrete installations. Including those for crack isolation, without the need for soft joints, as required by Noble.

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What half lap joints are you talking about Tom? I just butt mine up and apply sealant. The sealant goes on so quickly and easy I couldn't ever picture a more simple and tidy way to apply a joint sealant that the Wedi system.
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What half lap joints are you talking about Tom? I just butt mine up and apply sealant. The sealant goes on so quickly and easy I couldn't ever picture a more simple and tidy way to apply a joint sealant that the Wedi system.
That's because you aren't installing it properly, you have to cut a rabbit in the base for it to key into.
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That's because you aren't installing it properly, you have to cut a rabbit in the base for it to key into.
The base already comes with the rabbets cut.
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That's because you aren't installing it properly, you have to cut a rabbit in the base for it to key into.
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The base already comes with the rabbets cut.
I have yet to do one that did not have to be fitted. End up cutting every base, the cutting in the rabbit. Maybe some day I'll get one that is sized to fit a standard pan.

For me, the sealant is a pain in the ....... Trying to get a 1/2" bead across the edge of the board, push the panels together, cover all the screws with sealant then spread it all out.

Wedi makes a very nice product, I just don't like the sealant.

My favorite lineal dran is Nobles. It is well thought out.

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Even if you do need to cut the rabbet it takes all of 30seconds with a cordless saw.

What don't you like about the sealant Tom? It's very high quality and goes far if you don't over spread it. In the winter it dies thicken up a lot though. I just leave them in a bucket of hot water before I put it on.

Def much faster and easier than thinset. I only used kerdi board once and never again. Being able to use modified thinset is also a big plus with Wedi.
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It is not the quality of the sealant, it is make by Sika and you can by it at Home Depot. It is Sika urethane construction adhesive. Very good product. I find it messy, most likely me.

When installing Kerdi board, no need to stop and apply the sealant. Just Kerdi band once your done installing the board. Mix the mortar, install the band, start setting tile.

You can use modified, you just have to wait longer to grout. Not sure why everyone has an issue with un-modified mortar. I've heard the porcelain excuse, I never had one come loose. Notch the mortar, tight back butter on the tile, set.

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Haven't used Kerdi Board but have used WEDI. I'll compare the two when I try Kerdi.

I like the sealant method. Dries in about 30 minutes. Make sure you smooth it right away (but dried sealant can be shaved with razor blade if needed). Install board and "tile at 10".
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The speed advantage of the WEDI is gonna be hard to beat. There's not one plus point of using kerdi over WEDI in my eyes and it's also more expensive. But if your like Tom and have trouble with the sealant then thin sets the way to go but I love the sealant.

Like you say you can be tiling in a very short amount of time. The best bit is it's not that HD orange color either lol and not available to HO through HD as well.
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The speed advantage of the WEDI is gonna be hard to beat. There's not one plus point of using kerdi over WEDI in my eyes and it's also more expensive. But if your like Tom and have trouble with the sealant then thin sets the way to go but I love the sealant.

Like you say you can be tiling in a very short amount of time. The best bit is it's not that HD orange color either lol and not available to HO through HD as well.
I can't see how either one is vastly better than the other...but for the price of the foam if you arn't racing to beat the band do a mud pan.
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Oh fvck right off...paragraphs or gtfo.

sure thing champ! what a terrible misinterpretation of what i thought you were asking. ill make sure i use perfect paragraphs from now on. good thing you were there to straighten me out, keep up the good work.

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this is why I hate tile work!
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I can't see how either one is vastly better than the other...but for the price of the foam if you arn't racing to beat the band do a mud pan.
Agreed. It really comes down to time vs money. I use different methods for different situations.
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Agreed. It really comes down to time vs money. I use different methods for different situations.

Exactly. I compare tile methods to golf clubs. They made different clubs for different situations. Of course I have a few favorites but know how to adapt to the situation.
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I can't see how either one is vastly better than the other...but for the price of the foam if you arn't racing to beat the band do a mud pan.
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