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Old 02-07-2013, 12:28 AM   #1
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how many commercial vinyl installers are on here? .. what brand of flooring do you prefer to use and what tools do you use in doing so.. coving and heat welding tools..


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Old 02-07-2013, 12:37 AM   #2
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My dad and his brother did it when they where young in manhattan for years then my dad left and My uncle stayed 40 years as union floor man . Boy was he good . Which he was still with us Today . Taught me a lot of tricks .

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Sad to say , unless you are union.. And hell no im not ! This trade is hard to find good people.. With great crafstmenship
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Always impressed when I see heat welds.

Worked with an excellent residential vinyl guy. He could do commercial but didn't want to as he was near retirement.
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In some cases,i just get called to do welding... It pays really well, just scary,as experienced as i am, i don't like that idea of burning 5 grand worth of material once it's all down
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My brother was as good as I have ever seen...

I did a a few jobs with him but it was apparent he had a steadier hand... So I would end up his helper and let him run wild...this was 20,30 years ago and we were chargeing crazy money (For that time)...
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Now is so different.. But still we are in demand.. I'm getting a minimum of 15 a syd. Plus 6 a lineal foot for Coving, another 6 per lineal to weld and 15 dollars each corner outside or inside... Labor only.
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Hi Floormasta78

I think that's a trick question. My favorite commercial vinyls are REAL linoleum and rubber! Hell, everyone outside the trade calls ALL OF IT linoleum anyways---------even VCT and asphalt tile is "linoleum" in common parlance.

Mipolam/Gerflor seems to have the best quality control. I like their glue best as well. http://www.gerflor.com/int/floors-fo...troplan,6.html

Medintech, Tarkett.......even Mannington are good/OK homogenous materials.

What I DONT like are the paper thin surface layers on the stuff like Timberline or Realities that TELEGRAPH so much as a human hair. I really don't the trend of trying to make inherently residential products work in HEAVY commercial applications.

I've been thinking how unrealistic 1/32" glue notches are in the commercial world. If the material is that flimsy you essentially need a PERFECTLY flat and PERFECTLY clean substrate............They're living a fantasy. You mention being around $15 a s/y on labor. That's $1.66 a square foot. Given "industry standard" new construction concrete----let alone remodel over existing messes it's really hard to PREP the floor for that if I'm laying WALLPAPER on the floor.
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I notice you use a regular underscribe on the boot/outside corner. Why not get an outside corner scribe made for that? Everything we do is welded so I have both tools (many multiples actually) but never use either. I can freehand right where I need to be for the weld first try every try.
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In California the labor rates kill us .. Some guys can't even get 7 a syd..

I do ask my outside corners with this i was trained this way by Armstrong, i never used an outside scribe.. But please share a link,i will get one..

Oh by the way i did just buy thus very cool new tool .. I'll post a picture as soon as i get a chance
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Your cap metal treatment at the door frame is very unorthodox. We terminate the cap metal at the door trim rather than miter back down if there's enough there to "hide" the edge and fit the vinyl to the frame. Where you miter back with the cove stick we shave the cove stick back to allow a clean roll into the frame.

I tried to post a photo but I guess I'm blocked

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In California the labor rates kill us .. Some guys can't even get 7 a syd..

I do ask my outside corners with this i was trained this way by Armstrong, i never used an outside scribe.. But please share a link,i will get one..

Oh by the way i did just buy thus very cool new tool .. I'll post a picture as soon as i get a chance
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Again, I have 3-4 of these and don't use them. I never realized how easy the standard Armstrong scribe does the same thing. Common sense actually
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Blocked ? Really.. Wtf !

That " return "with the Coving is a forbo thing i think.. I was trained under Tim Province , a well respected vinyl installer , also John Namba at the time.

Well here it is, i bought it last week.. It's so smooth to use to shave the rod... Still i love my Leo Martinez Turbo Tools... Nothing beats them
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Hey!! I have used that crain scriber.. I still like the one i use.. I have three, one set to scribe for welding, one for tight seams like stencil crafts , and one for outside corners.. They work the same..
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Blocked ? Really.. Wtf !

That " return "with the Coving is a forbo thing i think.. I was trained under Tim Province , a well respected vinyl installer , also John Namba at the time.

Well here it is, i bought it last week.. It's so smooth to use to shave the rod... Still i love my Leo Martinez Turbo Tools... Nothing beats them
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Oh, you're going to find the Mozart REALLY useful-------invaluable on some kinds of welds. The blades are outrageously priced though and some of the aluminum oxide finishes eat through them in a heartbeat------back to the diamond sharpener and old fashion skivers. You can sharpen the Mozart blades a few times only and it's a hassle. Just use it on the stuff that's friendly to the steel.
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Hey!! I have used that crain scriber.. I still like the one i use.. I have three, one set to scribe for welding, one for tight seams like stencil crafts , and one for outside corners.. They work the same..
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yeah, it's about what YOUR hands want in them

that outside corner scribe lives in little compartment somewheres in the truck and never comes out to play

it's too smallish for my hands to get accustomed to
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So.... have prices changed much for heat welding? I got a job for $6/lineal foot plus $1.43/sqft for 1300 sqft. I don't know if to throw those numbers once more or if it was simply a fluke.
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Hey Floormasta I haven't seen you in here for a while. Welcome back. Your cove work looks great. It seems to be a lost art around here. I never learned how to do cove work like that and never had a reason to mostly because I mainly do residential. I would love to work a day or two with someone that knows what they are doing.

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