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Old 12-07-2012, 06:53 AM   #61
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Thanks popcornbob

Great feed back on the demo.
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:44 PM   #62
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Just a few things to remember, firstly there is NO SUCH THING as dustless , if anyone tells you they are 100% dust free ask them for their "Air Quality Control Report" to PROVE the claim. We spent over $20,000.00 doing one and without giving our competitors our information, I can tell you that although the dust is drastically reduced, no system is dust free, the fact you are moving air with a compressor means you are moving dust. In our Industry dust is not just what is coming out of the nozzle, it is about ambient dust created as well. Guaranteed faster than dry blasting? Not true as a blanket statement, no wet based system is faster than dry blasting, unless you look at very specific applications such as undercoating or powdercoating.

If you are looking at the DB equipment, and price is your motivating factor, buy a dry pot and a WIN nozzle or a HALO Ring, you will get the same result as the DB, with faster production. You can meter down your consumption with the Thompson Valve. Ans spend far less than a DB unit.

Our equipment, and the competitive equipment such as Farrow, EcoQuip, CleanerBlast, which is "Wet-Abrasive" is a totally different animal than the DB equipment, it is more expensive for a reason. None of the above equipment use electronics, you can put a 12v deadman on, but everything is run by pneumatics.

Have you ever wondered why Heavy Industrial and Commercial surface prep companies have the true "Wet-Abrasive" equipment? Because it is productive, consistant and will pass OSHA requirements. The current manufacturers of true "Wet-Abrasive" equipment enclose components in control boxes, and the whole theory behind true "Wet-Abrasive" is to be able to control flow, reducing consumption of both abrasive and water, and using inert abrasives.

We are the only manufacturer of Wet-Abrasive equipment that has roots in the Blasting & Coatings business, need help bidding a job? Knowing what abrasive to use to remove certain coatings? How much productivity to expect? What type of containment required? What profile you will need to achieve to apply certain coatings?

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Nice feed gogeo

Thanks for the feed back.
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I 'm not trying to insult or bash any ones equipment only looking for information and sharing what I have actually witnessed for myself. I did not realize you as a manufacturers were on this site. I agree with you that there is no such thing as 100% dustless blasting. I think if the win nozzle is such a great idea why would anyone buy ANY system from any of the manufacturers.? Production speed was comparable to my clemco units but unless all the blasters dry and wet are in a side by side comparison I can't judge if one is faster than another. Maybe they should have a side by side comparison like they test cars and let the consumers decide. I am looking for simpler system without the need to adjust the media and air flow. I have several dry pots now and price is not the only factor I am looking at. I can't comment on your system as I have not seen a demo in person. I sure it works great too. The technical support that is available from my local dealer network is terrible, they are only qualified to sell or rent blasting supplies and equipment but they don't have a clue when answering any questions about actually blasting. My mistake stating earlier about the electronics, none on any systems. I was told by my GB local dealer rep the controls in the GEOblaster were proprietary and there is a technician would would fly in if I had any problems that required repairs, and the parts could not be bought locally. Is that true? if an end user had a problem with my controller could they fix it themselves with local parts or would they have to wait and order it through you? I am trying to get all the information on the different systems to make the best informed decision for me. I want to keep this going any one else out there who had witnessed and used both systems?
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Hi Popcornbob,

I did not take it as bashing anyones product, what I was trying to get out here is a level of education about the differences in the type of equipment. I encourage looking at competitive equipment, I just believe that if you are looking an apple, you should compare it to another apple, not compare it to an orange.

This is a great site because you get that individual feedback from the contractors who use the equipment, and their personal opinions and experiences. My post was simply to explain the differences between the apple you looked at, and the oranges you need to look at next, in order to make an informed decision.

I provided in my post, the names of our competitors who make true "Wet-Abrasive" Equipment. I encourage you to look at the options, and make a decision about what is best for you, and your operations.

If you were buying a gasoline powered car, being marketed as the emission-free car, and that car company is willing to tell you anything to sell you that car, including what you know to be false, would that not give you pause as to the integrity of the car maker? I don't know what you call that kind of marketing, I know what I call it.

As far as the WIN or HALO nozzle, you will still use 4 to 10 times the abrasive as a true "Wet-Abrasive" system, and 5 to 10 times as much water.

We provide technical support for our products, a 1-800 number you can call 24/7, and cell phone numbers you can call 24/7, your local distributor is there to provide parts, abrasive, nozzles, hoses etc.

We do not send technicians out to fix a hose, you are capable of replacing any part on that machine, and we are one phone call away from helping you troubleshoot any potential problems.

I have flown across the continent before to fix a machine, it turned out I had to turn up the blast pressure regulator for the customer because he wouldn't listen to my instructions over the phone.

So, now that I have hopefully set a few things straight, if you need to have any questions answered, just let Manus, or ourselves know.

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You can sense my level of frustration. I really started this thread because there are so many different variables and too many options. i was trying to learn exactly what you are talking about. How do I compare the different options apples to oranges? Bingo!
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You can sense my level of frustration. I really started this thread because there are so many different variables and too many options. i was trying to learn exactly what you are talking about. How do I compare the different options apples to oranges? Bingo!
I understand your frustration, and I think you get a sense of mine. When people in the industry are looking for an option, but manufacturers that are selling apples, market them to you as oranges. I am happy to answer any questions you have, but I will let this thread get back to you contractors having your discussion.
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I just joined team MMLJ with the purchase of a DB500. I had a similar experience with the demo at the Houston site. I was impressed as well. Price and simplicity is what drove us to MMLJ. I hope to blast a bit when the weather clears in a day or two as it is spitting snow with high winds at the moment. I primarily bought it to do our stuff (cars). But being mobile just might afford me some new and exciting opportunities.

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It looks tidy on the trailer.
What did it set you back?

Will you be only blasting the outsides of cars?

You can run that pot dry and thats what I would do.
You don't want the wet slurry to get into the places where you can't get it out.

I would like to see a video of the machine in action by somebody that is not affiliated with MMJ themselves.
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i will be glad to post up a vid when i get to blast. we do primarily outside and underneath, but i feel that if i followed holdtight's directions and clean with a power washer, might not be a problem of build up in crevices. i know that most (including myself) introduce tons of water during final primer sanding as well as the wet sanding and buffing process. we have had some cars and parts dip stripped and i can tell you that they pressure wash each and every nook and cranny before they let you leave with the car. at this point, i'm not afraid of water. but, never having used the process on a whole car, we will see.
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Hey Buzzy what size compressor?
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Buzzy, can you run dry media in that too, Or is it just a wet system.
Give some stats on the rig...
Water tank gallons?
How long you can run on a tank off water..etc

Most videos I've seen by them, I can get almost the same with my WIN nozzle.
I did see one page 250 lbs per hour on their web page. That's 5 - 50 lb bags per hour...

Worst job with my win nozzle and fine glass media is 4 bags per hour
But normally I can get 3 bags dry or wet..per hour.

I do like the wet systems thou.

Buzzy, it look like a really nice set up, clean! Customers like that when you hit there jobs!
( I've had guys use a few different blasters, and when you pull in with everything on a trailer .. There like dam, your ready to go.. Very professional!)
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My big issue is boat bottoms,
I build tents around the bottoms and do them dry.
Clean up on some 50', can be up to 18 -50lb bags (900 lb)
That's on the worst side, some come it at 12 bags

If this was wet grit, my god that's a heavy load to haul out.

Ya I know less dust, but the clean up...?

On the mmlj video of the 50 ft boat, looks like a lot of water on the ground, the plastic around the boat doesn't look wide enough but cause the grits all over the ground were there is no plastic, and they don't show you the cleanup process ?

I've tried a few boats with my win nozzle, and it looked to be almost the same as the video on MMLJ? And was a pain to clean up...

Not trying to kick them, just trying to understand them.
The WIN nozzle is a pain in the A$$ sometimes..
And we've been looking at the geo and mmlj...
Just can't justify buying one yet...
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My big issue is boat bottoms,
I build tents around the bottoms and do them dry.
Clean up on some 50', can be up to 18 -50lb bags (900 lb)
That's on the worst side, some come it at 12 bags

If this was wet grit, my god that's a heavy load to haul out.

Ya I know less dust, but the clean up...?

On the mmlj video of the 50 ft boat, looks like a lot of water on the ground, the plastic around the boat doesn't look wide enough but cause the grits all over the ground were there is no plastic, and they don't show you the cleanup process ?

I've tried a few boats with my win nozzle, and it looked to be almost the same as the video on MMLJ? And was a pain to clean up...

Not trying to kick them, just trying to understand them.
The WIN nozzle is a pain in the A$$ sometimes..
And we've been looking at the geo and mmlj...
Just can't justify buying one yet...
I'm in the same boat as you no pun intended.
To blast down at the dry dock I have to contain everything and blasting wet would be a nightmare and maybe more problematic if it did get onto the ground and soak contaminated water into the ground.
The only advantage for me would be when I'm on mine sites blasting. I could blast around other tradesmen with less of a stand off distance.
I'm pricing one of these at the moment but I haven't herd back from blastmaster. http://www.clemcoindustries.com/prod...hp?item_id=320
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Hey that's neet, Clemco has a pump on there's. never seen that. The win works ok but it has to have a garden hose to push the water.
I need a tank for remote jobs.
I was trying to make a pump like that to go with my win. Hummmm
I want my win to shut off the same time my hose stops.
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I made something at one point but couldn't get it to work with my 12v triger. I abandon it after a while. Wasn't a big priority.
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I also have a question...

What do you do for a job that needs to be bid 10 stories up? If you can't get the machine up that far and it needs to remain far from the work, do you just not bid those jobs? I can believe the whip is just lengthened and you have good results...of course you can add a 375 CFM compressor but most are shown using a 185cfm unit...is that to keep the cost of ownership down in order to sell units?

Jim/Ausi those Clemco units were not cheap...I looked into them a year or so ago. Very close to what you have results wise with out all the costs and constraints...water tank or supply from hose if I remember...real basic.
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I was trying to make a injection point just after it came out the max valve and into the hose, that way it could be takin off and normal use as a dry blast or add it in so water could be injected and it would mix in the hose
That way you didn't need a extra hose at the nozzle to play with.
Thought about a solenoid to shut the water off at the same time as the grit
The only thing that I did wrong was to have equal psi of water to air/ grit psi.
I see the air pump and just thought it might work? But I had a hard time wiring it to work if the 12v triger
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Hey Buzzy what size compressor?
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