Take a look at this beautiful painted dock!! - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

BDA4Life · 10-04-2007, 07:38 PM

How bout this beauty of a dock with a water base primer and some cracking peeling oil base S/W paint i believe to be.It laughed at my S/H stripper and i'm sure not using a paint stripper over water.I'm gonna have a EPA nightmare with this much crap to strip!

So it looks like a primer the whole dock and "i can't believe i'm saying it" I'll re paint the nasty looking fire engine red color to a more soothing color.I'm trying to figure out what process will keep this from peeling n cracking again?

I'm tossing around a 2 tone idea also.....

KellyPainting · 10-04-2007, 08:27 PM

Cool job! I say... water base... a snorkle and fins...and a wagner under water spayer.

BDA4Life · 10-04-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KellyPainting

Cool job! I say... water base... a snorkle and fins...and a wagner under water spayer.

I hope they make a battery operated Wagner sprayer!

I should water base paint products cuz I'm over water? I'm trying not let this dock start cracking again with in a few years when it dries out.

I'm gonna roll or cut in where needed by hand.

SO what would be my best choices of products for a primer/deck stain latex,Acrylic etc?

Wolverine-Eric · 10-04-2007, 08:58 PM

Do you want to try a water-based biodegradeable stripper?

BDA4Life · 10-04-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolverine-Eric

Do you want to try a water-based biodegradeable stripper?

Yeah i would be interested in a bio stripper that could melt this crap off if S/hydroxide didn't touch.I could have a made a hotter batch that might have worked better.

I guess my biggest problem is what happens to all the peeling paint going in the water? I think it's next to imposible to prevent it or contain it.

Flipping the boards are labor intensive for me now and it's hard to find a deck builder to get to do that kind of work right now.Some boards are cracking so having to replace quite a few wasn't feasable $$ wise or even re skinning it.

Tscarborough · 10-04-2007, 09:45 PM

No way would I strip it, no way would I paint it. Tear off and redo. Seal the boards onshore before they are installed. If they insist on stripping/paint, thank them for the chance to bid on their work. That is a nightmare waiting to happen. Lake Conroe, I presume?

BDA4Life · 10-04-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tscarborough

No way would I strip it, no way would I paint it. Tear off and redo. Seal the boards onshore before they are installed. If they insist on stripping/paint, thank them for the chance to bid on their work. That is a nightmare waiting to happen. Lake Conroe, I presume?

Well that was my first thought was to just reskin it but the amount of $$ it would take to rip it out and replace is jsut too much for them.

Why would you not prime and paint for the last resort?

Yep Lake Conroe off of 105

Tscarborough · 10-04-2007, 10:34 PM

Because of the liability of the paint in the lake. You could make a plastic catch tarp, I guess, but the bottom line is that shouldn't be painted.

sonny · 10-04-2007, 10:45 PM

as much time involved here - Sherwin Williams use to make a great dock paint - epoxy based - I used it in S/FLA. Can't remember the name at present. power sand with a good vac & put a floating containment system around the dock area.

Sonny

Tscarborough · 10-04-2007, 11:03 PM

Sonny, that is a primary source for Houston potable water. It should not be painted.

BDA4Life · 10-04-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tscarborough

Sonny, that is a primary source for Houston potable water. It should not be painted.

I will have the H.O check with the HOA when she submits her materials for the job and also with the San Jac River Auth.

Chris G · 10-05-2007, 10:33 AM

Well, the way it's peeling that paint is going to end up in the water anyway.

Would it be possible to scrape and vacuum at the same time with a good shop vac?

Tscarborough · 10-05-2007, 11:15 AM

Exactly, Chris. It needs to be remediated and NOT repainted.

dougchips · 10-05-2007, 11:18 AM

At a JLC show this year we saw someone who sells "vinyl flooring for decks". It looked rather tacky IMHO but it might be an option. I am not sure if it was an edge glued product or if the whole surface requires glue.

In the long run the HO would be better off with a composite or vinyl decking. Procell might cost them a mint up front but they will never have to paint it. They would have to treat it as a 30 year investment assuming the docks frame is in good shape.

Tmrrptr · 10-05-2007, 11:48 AM

I would be extremely afraid <fear> of EPA fines even from bits falling in the water while tearing it off to re-surface it!

The fines will start out in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. REALLY.

... I do expoxy on garage floors... it's kinda brittle, and a test I did on wood decking products is also brittle.

... Epoxy is NOT UV stable and will shift color in direct sun.

Why don't you try the hotrod spaceage products the Dude carries?

Also talk to the nice people at Midwest Chemicals.

I'd strip all visible boards off that deck, prepaint everything on six sides up on the bank with the aliphatic acrylic urethane, then resurface the deck, section at a time.
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Definitely see what the Dude has to say!

gregj · 10-05-2007, 12:05 PM

Ok, I'm missing something and need someone to educate me on modern paint. The deck is too new to have lead paint so isn't the dried paint on this deck inert and safe? What's in modern paint that is a danger (assuming it isn't on chinese toys)?

I'm thinking that lake has thousands of fish crapping in it every day; a variety of dead critters decomposing in it; fertilizer and pesticide runoff from the lawns; oil, gas and combustion products from the boats; arsenic and copper from the treated dock lumber and I just don't see how some dried paint chips would be dangerous.

However, I don't like painted docks because the paint just doesn't hold up and I think you'd have to pull up the boards and strip/prime/paint all sides to get best results. But it's still going to peel.