Polyaspartic Polyureas Vs Epoxy? - Contractor Talk - Professional Construction and Remodeling Forum

rpminc · 05-22-2007, 09:26 AM

Hey All ,

please weigh in ...I am trying to start a floor business to co-incide with my Garage Resto business...I have done some research on this product and I amconsidering to become a certified installer as well as dealer of the product ...Is this product better than Epoxy or is it the same thing? Company claims only 10 mil of application needed also return service to garage in 1 day .. very interesting article about the stuff here.. ??

@ Concreteconstructiononline google: Polyaspartic Polyureas

let me know what you guys think both of the product as well as going thru training ...The training is $1700.. sounds like alot ..along with the travel and accomadation expense this seems like alot to lay out ..

The $1700 dollar expense also gives me exclusive dealership rights to the territory of my choice..is this wise or should I pursue other avenues to spend the money on ie a grinder

Does anyone know of a distributor of this product specifically for Garage floors ... Thanks for the replies

ibsocal · 05-22-2007, 06:35 PM

Seems like a good product compared to epoxies.vortex spray on bedliners has a system called granitex. you can hammer it,it has excellent impact resistant properties compared to epoxy floor coatings, but the system is expensive.i believe the coatings companies should hold free training classes or deminars as it benefits them for us to learn about their products and how to properly use their systems.i believe polyureas are in the future for my business.btw at the end of july a coatings mfg co. here in San Diego is holding another FREE deminar this time on guess what ? epoxy floor coatings.all free including lunch awesome deminar lasts a little over 6 hours,these guys if i remember right have some polyurea type clear coatings and they point you in the right direction to doing the job the way it should be done.they also have all kinds of different floor and wall coatings that look like stone and are water proof.so i say come to san diego for free training and buy your grinder or blastrac machine later.

rpminc · 05-22-2007, 07:31 PM

Thanks IBSOCAL ..Do you think the topcoats is the main difference between the 2 ...the distributor claims to lifetime warranty this product ..? Definately looking into ideas like the San Diego type training ..

ibsocal · 05-22-2007, 08:06 PM

i dont think so.two different types of systems epoxies will lose some of its color with time(yellow)and the dry time is a big difference.polyureas or the polyaspartics can be applied in all types of weather temps,but im still learning bout the stuff and the dude is the one who can best answer this ?

Wolverine-Eric · 05-24-2007, 08:51 PM

Ohhh... I know ALL the answers here... BUT... I can't say anything because the Terms of Service... DOH!

Wolverine-Eric · 05-24-2007, 08:54 PM

Oh, I guess what I can say is...

There are LOTS of different types of epoxies... AND... lots of different types of Polyaspartics...

Not ALL Polyaspartics are UV stable... not all epoxies are not...

How'd I do nathan?

ibsocal · 05-24-2007, 09:34 PM

Oooh ok now I get it,thanx for making that so clear.lets see some do, some dont,some will and some wont.perfect.

Seriously Dude you are such a teazer.thanx Nathan for everything great 411,talanted people.

Wolverine-Eric · 05-25-2007, 10:16 PM

We do make both epoxies and polyaspartics...

Quote:

Seriously Dude you are such a teazer.thanx Nathan for everything great 411,talanted people.

It's a bit harsh to insinuate that there are not talented people in these forums. YOU know the terms of service just like everyone else. I'm just trying to play by the rules. Just for the record, I could spout out a bunch of cool stuff about myself that no one would really care about

I'll try to give you some more general information. Obviously, I can't discuss our products...

There is alot of value for you in what I wrote. My point is that you are not asking the right people the right questions. There are not even that many chemists that know both of these technologies. There are even less that understand what is needed to coat concrete for a garage floor.

There are times when a PA can be advantageous. However, in general... epoxies have better adhesion. It sounds like you are getting sold on wasting $1700 to have an exclusive... for what? Are they going to advertise SO heavily that people call for THAT product... I think that you will find that 99% of customers don't really care what brand you use... they just want something that looks cool and is going to last. As far as how thick to apply... It's not advantageous to apply a thin coat on a garage floor. You could apply 20 mils of epoxy for the same price. The epoxy would have better abrasion resistance and chemical resistance. The extra thickness would help you overcome defects in the concrete and give you a more level surface which ultimately makes the floor look better. Polyaspartics are also more affected by humidity and other mositure.

You need to be talking to a chemist about potential products. When you talk to a salesman he spouts out whatever someone told him one time about something they heard from someone else that came from the chemist ... Sometimes they get it right... usually they don't... The biggest problem is that they generalize because they don't really understand the technology.

I would suggest using 100% solids technology... AHC epoxies will give you more bang for the buck... I also suggest AHC liquid ceramics... i believe polyaspartics will double your costs for no real reason...

However, it is kinda fun to say... Polyaspartic... It just sounds cool!

ibsocal · 05-26-2007, 11:27 AM

Thats what im talking about 411

.seriously I meant their are alot of talented people here. who seem to believe they have their thoughts controlled,was not being sarcastic at all.dont be afraid to pat yourself on the back about the cool stuff from time to time.it can be intresting.

Polyaspartic poly poly polyaspartic

rpminc · 05-26-2007, 05:40 PM

Thanks Wolverine Eric,

I will try to contact you either through a phone call or your website in order to explain my situation a little clearer , Thanks Again RM

Brushslingers · 05-27-2007, 12:53 PM

I can say it since i'm not a chemist...

Epoxy is more suited to outdoor use in general, stains will turn black over time outdoors, and though I know little about polyaspartic... it's most likely due to a very select application sooooo.... don't think i'd invest in it for garage floors.

Wolverine-Eric · 05-28-2007, 07:58 PM

Actually, (in general) epoxies are more suited for INDOORS... in general, they chalk and yellow in sunlight... A VERY small percentage of epoxies are made with hydrogenated epoxy resin (expensive). Hydrogenated epoxies have much better exterrior durability than regular epoxies... AGAIN... hardly anyone makes hydrogenated epoxies...

Brushslingers · 05-29-2007, 02:47 PM

Very true, so you think a 3 part for industrial use or two? Been awhile since I actually looked at epoxies close... I was talking mostly about garages though, not exactly sunshine. I will have to look into the poly thing but, as I said... seems to be a very small, select market.

rpminc · 06-01-2007, 07:22 PM

Hey Eric ,

I Left A Message For You At Your Website...if You Have The Time Please Contact Me ..

Could You Point Me In The Right Direction Towards Ahc Epoxies. Thanks Rm

smithoman · 06-05-2007, 08:29 PM

I had only heard of these compounds via word of mouth here in Colorado. I've found this discussion to be extremely interesting! I would be interested in the toxicity of these compounds versus the epoxies.

Tmrrptr · 06-22-2007, 11:08 PM

This, is great information here in this thread.

Cutting edge.

we shall 411 SD and find out who/where that convention is in july and probably head down there in advance so we can find a room.

We have a small market for acrylic semi-transparent stain on concrete that provides my clients with a shiny product and I can garner a small wage for simple workmanship. 2bucks a ft otd.
figure its not forever, but it can be touched up periodically, as any other product.

much like colorado... it's nice to hear abt all the great new products but we rarely get to the bottom line of how much it will cost to apply per sq ft. Don't think we'll be using any of them on the cat or dog very soon, though.

THEY took the lead out, then the voc's, and now we're left with indescribables and unknowns. Myself I'm not so concerned about, my playpen was made of asbestos with glow in the dark designs.

This BB is a great headstart on new products and the WEB invaluable to us in the boonies tracking down further info.
and credit card and porn offers. Ha!

Gotta sort through it, but the good stuff is there.
r

Da Vinci · 06-30-2007, 01:25 PM

Hi Everyone,
I'm new to this forum- great info and exchanges.
We recently completed a project in a large estate. While executing the contract another contractor came in and did the epoxy flooring with colored flakes and clear coat system.

I was interested in the product, but couldn't get any information from the installers other than they used an epoxy primer/coatings.

I've been contemplating adding this to our line of services, but until this install I hadn't been comfortable with available coatings (Rustoleum one coat, etc).

I've done some searching but can't find a manufacturer/supplier that provides the coatings AND primers. Since this is a relatively new field for us, I don't want to offer anything but top quality products with our service.

Can anyone point me in the right direction? Cost is not the issue, quality, quality,quality is what I want...

Thanks for any help,
Bob
www.elshaddaipainting.com

**Teetorbilt** · 06-30-2007, 04:25 PM

Da Vinci, what are you looking for? In my world, epoxies don't (generally) require primers just proper surface prep.

Da Vinci · 06-30-2007, 08:05 PM

Teetorbuilt,
That was always my understanding too. However this particular company used some kind of an epoxy primer on the concrete floors prior to the multi-flaked coating/clear coats.

It appeared to be a top quality installation- would love to find a similar product unless it is only available through a franchising arrangement...

www.elshaddaipainting.com

Wolverine-Eric · 06-30-2007, 08:21 PM

We're the company... I think that's about all I can say without violating the TOS...