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Old 12-11-2017, 07:33 AM   #1
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Who Messed Up? Joist Vs. Drain


You demo'd a bathroom and are installing a tub. Drain and supply need to be moved (previous tub was jacuzzi with center drain, now going to left drain). The plumber has been in There at least twice (and moved the supplies) and also seen pics.

Now it seems the doubled up joist is exactly in the drain location that's supposed to be done today. Should I have seen this, or him, or both? Tub was onsite the whole time.
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:37 AM   #2
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I hire the plumber because he's the expert - thinks about all the details of his specialty while I'm on the big picture.

And then there's this: I hired that plumber.

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Exactly. And this is what seems to happen when you help some folks with pics to save time. Some abuse it and get lazy. Same thing happened with one tile guy. The more info I gave, the dumber he seemed to get.
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It’s the framers responsibility to make sure the joists aren’t in the plumbers way.
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It’s the framers responsibility to make sure the joists aren’t in the plumbers way.
I'll have to find them. House is 80 years old.

Point taken, anyway.
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Exactly. And this is what seems to happen when you help some folks with pics to save time. Some abuse it and get lazy. Same thing happened with one tile guy. The more info I gave, the dumber he seemed to get.
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Itís the framers responsibility to make sure the joists arenít in the plumbers way.
Had same HVAC contractor for years on production. One day, came in for daily walkthru, saw 2x10 hunk laying on floor.

Looked up - fng had cut off joist to run the trunk line way "he" wanted - not as per.

So from then on, I have one sentence I say to these guys and the plumbers: " Remember - only the carpys cut wood - no exceptions."

God, that fkup was a pita.
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Who ordered the tub?

The exact location for the drain (listed by the manufacturer) should have been taken into account BEFORE ordering it. Thinking and planning ahead (is a LH drain going to work in this situation?) should have been addressed before buying the tub.

It doesn't really matter "who's to blame" as that don't make the problem go away. Find a solution and carry on. It sucks, been there-done that, but hey everything is fixable. Good luck

PS, I don't trust anyone to be "the expert." I'm always involved in what's going on....well..because...I'm in charge of "what's going on." Some call it micro-manageing it but I call it covering my ass. I want to do all I can to avoid obstacles (screw-ups) that eat up my time and money on a job.

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Me.

I demo’d it, saw the framing layout prior to anyone else. Seeing as there are going to be changes to the fixtures, I need to check all the layouts.

I do the best I can to check all this before the job is bid.

I’m ultimately responsible for the job.

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What, nobody uses a stud finder any more?

Whoever is responsible for reframing to code. That isn't a plumber, I've seen their work.
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It'll be handled, just not how I like to start a new week....then again, it wasn't on Friday.

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