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Old 01-14-2007, 01:18 PM   #1
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Is anyone aware of any general requirement in any model codes that would require a dwelling to have central hot water? (namely, a water heater of some sort)

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Old 01-14-2007, 01:31 PM   #2
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Central, no. Hot water, yes.

I can't site you passages however. Arkansas just went to IPC and I don't have a copy.
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Old 01-14-2007, 01:43 PM   #3
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Central, no. Hot water, yes.

I can't site you passages however. Arkansas just went to IPC and I don't have a copy.
If the code was to say (and I'm just guessing here) 'a permanent means for heating hot water', would a range or a microwave suit? Maybe it's pointless to guess without code, just yet.

Ah... here we go...
IRC P2801.1 Required. Each dwelling shall have an
approved automatic water heater or other type domestic
water-heating system sufficient to supply hot water to
plumbing fixtures and appliances intended for bathing,
washing or culinary purposes. Storage tanks shall be
constructed of noncorrosive metal or be lined with
noncorrosive material.

This shows my question more clearly. It says you need either:
-an approved automatic water heater OR
-other type domestic water-heating system

People heated water on the stove for centuries. It does not say that these "other" systems need be approved, does it?

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I wounder if who ever wrote those codes knows what there even talking about.

There not very clear are they.

Maybe the other is On-Demand heaters / boilers.
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Maybe the other is On-Demand heaters / boilers.
I'm nearly certain that's the type of things they had in mind, but it does not state what the 'other' systems are, or even that they need to be approved. A stove and a bucket to deliver the hot water to the fixture is an "other" system.
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If the code was to say (and I'm just guessing here) 'a permanent means for heating hot water', would a range or a microwave suit? Maybe it's pointless to guess without code, just yet.

Ah... here we go...
IRC P2801.1 Required. Each dwelling shall have an
approved automatic water heater or other type domestic
water-heating system sufficient to supply hot water to
plumbing fixtures and appliances intended for bathing,
washing or culinary purposes. Storage tanks shall be
constructed of noncorrosive metal or be lined with
noncorrosive material.



I don't consider a sink a plumbing fixture, but I do think a faucet is considered a fixture. It seems to state that you need to have the ability to store this heated water, even though you can store hot water in a bucket or a pan it won't be hot for very long.
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It seems to state that you need to have the ability to store this heated water, even though you can store hot water in a bucket or a pan it won't be hot for very long.
No, I don't see that at all. It tells you what storage tanks should be constructed of. It doesn't say you need to have one. There are tankless water heaters on the market, after all.

Plumbing "fixture" has a definition in the code, and is things like the tub, toilet, sink, etc.
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Well all I can say to that is go and build your house without a hot water system and see if you can get an inspector to give you a CO. Explain to him how you plan on making your hot water in a pan on your stove and supplying it to the fixtures. After he stops rolling on the ground from laughter, he'll probably tell you to guess again. The code may be vague in this respect but everybody knows to expect a hot water heating system in a new modern house, even an older house.
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The code may be vague in this respect but everybody knows to expect a hot water heating system in a new modern house, even an older house.
That might be true, but if a guy took it to appeal, without legally enforcable local modifications, I know he would win.

What I'm struggling with is an electrical requirement related to water heaters, when there seems to be (to me) no code that requires a water heater in the first place.
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to supply hot water to
plumbing fixtures and appliances intended for bathing,
washing or culinary purposes.


By supply, they mean via pipe of some sort, not via bucket, in my mind, that calls for an automatic heating and delivery of the water.

Direct, indirect, solar, wood fire, doesn't matter, but it has to be capable of doing it on its own.
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