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Old 09-25-2011, 06:56 PM   #1
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Tub Spout /Diverter


Hey Guys...I recently installed two new bathrooms in the same house. The tub spout/diverter in both bathtubs allows water to come out of the shower head while the diverter is in the "tub"position. Obviously the tub spouts can be changed easy enough, but I was wondering if anyone else has encountered the same problem. Both of the the shower valves are brand new as well.. Thanks in advance......
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Old 09-25-2011, 06:59 PM   #2
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You installed the valve bodies upside down

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What kind of valves?

Sounds like the valves may have been installed upside down.
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You installed the valve bodies upside down
...well, I hope you didn't... an upside down installation is the only way I've ever heard of this problem.
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You installed the valve bodies upside down
I did that once.
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Thanks guys....but the valves are definitely not installed upside down....What about water pressure, could that create this problem, if the pressure was too high?
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what kinda pipe did you use??

what brand valve ?
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what kinda pipe did you use??

what brand valve ?
Thanks rex.....I am pretty sure they were Moen "Caldwell" valves(single handled).... Pex was used as the supply pipe, and there was no soldering done near the valve....(pex male adapters were used)... Also the valves are pressure balanced valves.
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did you use pex for the spout drop?
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did you use pex for the spout drop?
pex used to drop down to a pex drop ear 90, and then brass nipple.....
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pex used to drop down to a pex drop ear 90, and then brass nipple.....
Cannot be pex... must be a minimum of 1/2" copper
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not good dude...the valve dumps more water than the ID of the pex can flow so the water goes up to the shower head...
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not good dude...the valve dumps more water than the ID of the pex can flow so the water goes up to the shower head...
Yikes....That sound like it makes sense.....I have done them his way before and not had a problem....but this seems to make sense..... It looks like I will be installing a diverter on the shower arms.....
So when you guys install using pex, do you just stub down with copper??? Great Info Thanks!!
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Sweat the copper to the down port or use a female adapter X 1/2" sweat.
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yea you can buy moen/delta valves in PEX and the only PEX ports are hot and cold

i use copper for the head and spout..

although id rather get a full sweat valve and stub cooper out and adapt to PEX on the hot and cold
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Is that what they call "Stacking"?

IIRC when I RTFM it said it has to be copper of galvanized only. Before I read that I had my PEX crimper ready to go!

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yea you can buy moen/delta valves in PEX and the only PEX ports are hot and cold

i use copper for the head and spout..

although id rather get a full sweat valve and stub cooper out and adapt to PEX on the hot and cold
Rex.....Thanks a million....your answer was immediate and seems like the problem.... At least we got past the "valve installed upside down" although I feel just as humbled... What do you think of my diverter on the shower arm idea?
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Good job Rex!!!
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Is that what they call "Stacking"?

IIRC when I RTFM it said it has to be copper of galvanized only. Before I read that I had my PEX crimper ready to go!

Shame on me for not reading the manual.....I have installed so many valves, going all the way back to the early 80's, that I stopped reading the manuals.....
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you think of my diverter on the shower arm idea?
i dont like it at all and i bet the homeowners wont like it either..

would cutting the wall behind be possible? thats really the right way

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