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Old 11-22-2010, 07:25 PM   #1
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So, I want to know why the water in my toilet does not flow in a round circle to make my stuff vanish down the hole. I have to hold down the flusher for ever hoping to get the round motion going and I'm pissed about wasting water and having to flush my kids "stuff" since they give up.



Can someone suggest a fix?

Should I buy a new toilet? <- Would be the 3rd in 10 years

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No drainage issues anywhere else in our home.
The roundy motion does not happen right way regardless in we try to flush #1 or #2.
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Old 11-22-2010, 07:26 PM   #2
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Check the water level in the tank.

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Check the flaper valve in the tank , it many need adjusting, also as previously mentioned check out the water level.
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First of all lets start out with the brand of toilet and the model. Different toilets have different issues and quirks.

Once we have this information then we can better isolate conditions that effect flushing.

Three toilets in ten years tells me something also...like maybe the toilets are either cheapies or you have other issues like hard water etc.

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If this has been happening to different toilets then it sounds like a plumbing issue. How about the wax ring, did you use the extra thick one?
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Indoor plumbing is over rated, dig a hole in the backyard and build an outhouse over it, problem solved.
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Toto is good, a Kohler gen 6 cimmaron is good also.

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American Standard and the last two were Home Depotised Kohlers.

After reading the responses in this thread I adjusted the toilet so it fills all the way (about 2" from the top) for an increase of an inch or so and it now makes that roundy motion and flushes 70% of the time....spent a bunch of time flushing hotdogs and tp and test subjects in the past few minutes.

Leo, I used 2 wax rings since my floor and toilet are not exactly level, I would like to think I have a good seal down there but it's impossible to look under the toilet once it's set.

KTS, I'm all for doing my business (#1) outdoors but the wife and kids are not into that type of bathroom experience.

Mikes's, when you mention brands do those brands make crap for the homecenters? If not can I can pick them up at my local plumbing supply house? If I go with a new toilet, I might want to go with a dual flush....will the mod kits correct my issue or should I go with a new one with the dual?
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The worry about the wax rings is that when you put the toilet down on it it squeezes out. And it goes both ways. It can block the passageway and cause the exact problems you are having. If you have a toilet snake, use it.
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The worry about the wax rings is that when you put the toilet down on it it squeezes out. And it goes both ways. It can block the passageway and cause the exact problems you are having. If you have a toilet snake, use it.
That might be my issue! My wife was watching me play with the toilet and commented on how it does not sit on the ring (in other words). I wobbled the toilet back and forth and it has a ton of play. One of my bolts is tight while the other I can tighten without it getting tight...I'm thinking maybe I blew out my seal and where the bolt attaches to the ring and that has caused an air leak and the wax to go into the flange.I've set 100's of toilets doing bath remodels and flooring, it looks like I might of goofed on my own
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I had the wax ring issue at my own house. I didn't double ring but used the extra large. I put the new toilet in and 1st flush was a big disappointment. The only thing I could think of was blockage. So I got out the snake and dug around in there for a while and found nothing. Next flush was great. Only thing I could think of was the wax ring......
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Then replace the ring with the ring with the horn on it which will pervent the wax from covering the drain hole.
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American Standard and the last two were Home Depotised Kohlers.

After reading the responses in this thread I adjusted the toilet so it fills all the way (about 2" from the top) for an increase of an inch or so and it now makes that roundy motion and flushes 70% of the time....spent a bunch of time flushing hotdogs and tp and test subjects in the past few minutes.

Leo, I used 2 wax rings since my floor and toilet are not exactly level, I would like to think I have a good seal down there but it's impossible to look under the toilet once it's set.

KTS, I'm all for doing my business (#1) outdoors but the wife and kids are not into that type of bathroom experience.

Mikes's, when you mention brands do those brands make crap for the homecenters? If not can I can pick them up at my local plumbing supply house? If I go with a new toilet, I might want to go with a dual flush....will the mod kits correct my issue or should I go with a new one with the dual?
I would not get the dual but that's a personal issue.

I have both the Toto and the Kohler gen6 Cimmaron in my house and they both perform great. The Kohler welworth was a good toilet but the new gen are better. I love the cimmaron and so do my customers.

As a plumber in business for myself I would never recommend an American Standard toilet because other options are just better. Toto is good but it seems my customers don't like the style when compared to Kohler.

That said, when you really have a load to drop the Toto is probably king.

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I have a Duravit, a Toto, and an outhouse, the outhouse works the best, but it sucks to use it in January. Of the other 2 I prefer the Duravit.
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What you need is a 'pressure assist' toilet. The toilet I found on the internet ships free and total out the door is $238. Made by 'Schone' and the pressure assist is made by 'Sloan'. You can not/will not have a problem flushing ever again.
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We have 2 totos in our home, never a problem. I always try to sell these to My customers. couple of things to check out. Make sure the bath roof vent is clear. No birds nests, or acorns from squirrels. If You have hard water the rim
flush holes get blocked with calcium , also the small bottom jet hole. You should be able to run Your finger into the jet hole without an obstruction.
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From my experience, I found that if the toilet bowl isn't level both ways it won't flush right over a period of time esp. if you have hard water. After a while the holes in the rim on the higher side of the rim will clog, which will result in poor flushing performance. The solution: level the commode then check the rim holes for equal water distribution. If it's legal, you may have to use Calci-Solv or muriatic acid down the tank overflow tube a few times to break up the hard water deposits in the bowl rim holes. Just make sure that you use either use a respirator and have proper ventilation when doing this. After doing this, dilute any residue with lots of water and wipe off any spilled chemicals off the toilet to stop the smell of the acid. Just my .02.

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Another vote for TOTO, I paid about 300 each online with free shipping.
My 2 sons used to scream " Where is the plunger" Now all is flushed on the 1st try. TOTO is just damn amazing. I put 2 in and have 2 more to put in later.

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