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Old 10-29-2009, 07:36 PM   #21
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Anyone have any experience with Takagi? I've installed a tk-3 in a new gas conversion and the HO loves it.

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Old 10-29-2009, 09:27 PM   #22
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I am curious....so aside from the code violation, what is the actual, definitive reason for not allowing it? Is it reasoned that the flue pipe would allow the exhaust to "fall" back?
You never want to mix natural draft appliances with forced draft appliances in a combined or common flue. The reason for this can be that the forced draft will cause an unnatural draft in the non-power vented appliance and cause combustion issues or even allow a flame out and reignition situation. It can also push its flue gases into the natural draft unit causing a back-drafting situation and a fire.

Some model codes allow this, but require automatic dampers to open and close and ignition lock-outs to be used to prevent simultaneous firing and also to prevent funky situations from arising with having a forced, high speed stream of flue gas being pushed into a cold stack of air (in the vertical part of the flue above the natural draft unit), and being forced into the building instead of being pushed outside.

Think of it this way... forced draft appliances pressurize their flues. When this happens, flue gases try to go anyplace they can to escape, and its not always up and out as intended. Don't mix natural draft appliances with forced draft appliances... ever, unless you're damn sure you understand exactly what happens at all times.

One other note is condensing appliances. They should never be put on a flue with a non-condensing unit unless there are ignition lockouts in place. I haven't looked at the latest model gas codes to see if this is addressed, but last time I looked several years ago, it wasn't.
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Wow, Im glad I stumbled on this thread.. I bought my house almost 10 years ago, and the previous owner had a new furnace installed a year before that. The forced air gas furnace has a power vent which was tapped into the same flue as the 40 gal water heater...

Now the pilot on the water heater has never gone out, and the CO detector has never registered any dangerous situation, but I want to fix it.

The chimney is in the center of the house with both appliances right next to it. Would I have to move the furnace to an outside wall and direct vent it? That would involve a lot of ductwork. Would I just have a new vent run to an exterior wall? It's at least a 20' run for that...
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Wow, Im glad I stumbled on this thread.. I bought my house almost 10 years ago, and the previous owner had a new furnace installed a year before that. The forced air gas furnace has a power vent which was tapped into the same flue as the 40 gal water heater...
A power vent or a draft inducer? Most furnaces have a draft inducer and it is not considered to be the same thing as a power vent.

I would a competent person (plumber perhaps, or HVAC folks) take a look and make recommendations. If it is truly a power vented appliance, it can have quite a long horizontal run with few problems if any.
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Thanks for the clarification... It was the cheapest model the previous HO could buy, so probably not a power vent unit, I suppose. I didnt realize there was such a thing as a draft inducer... I'm going to have the plumber stop by to verify though...
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