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Old 12-27-2016, 03:35 PM   #1
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Sometimes You Cannot Do A Disposal Grinder?


Was wondering about this detail seen in an "award winning house," a summer vacation place, really, out on Block Island, away from Newport, R.I.

The pic shows the kitchen and you can see a tall window at the end of the room, and a window behind the sink, which does not have a sinkbase cabinet under it. An apron is there to mask the sink, but the plumbing drain and supply lines are visible.

The window behind the sink is the same depth as the window seen straight ahead, thus there is a lot of light coming in under the sink.

I've seen a photo taken from the straight-on view and the lines are nicely done, all rigid, chrome or chrome covered, no flex, no vinyl.

But no disposal is seen.

What we were wondering is whether it makes any sense at all to plumb the drain oversized and pipe it into the cabinet to the left of the sink, and house a grinder in there.

Or, as is likely done for this place, just forego a grinder, and take the usual precaution about what one puts down the drain. Like we did way back before grinders were everywhere.

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Old 12-27-2016, 03:47 PM   #2
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Re: Sometimes You Cannot Do A Disposal Grinder?


Don't need a disposal. Too many people as is think that having a disposal means they can put any garbage they want down their sink, and end up with blockages as a result.

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Re: Sometimes You Cannot Do A Disposal Grinder?


I'm not sure that house makes a ton of sense in general. Here's another view of it:



I personally wouldn't recommend piping the drain sideways, since that just creates more places where scraps could get stuck. If you just have to have a visible window under your sink, your best bet is using a strainer and possibly a compost heap.
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Septic tank?
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Looks a little like a leach field in the bottom right of the photo. Im not a big fan of disposals when you have a septic tank. We do them but would rather not.

Less of a fan of putting the disposal under the adjacent cabinet. Go without. Or at least encourage going without.
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That is a hideous house. It looks like it was a trailer that they added additions onto.


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Re: Sometimes You Cannot Do A Disposal Grinder?


Just got online to research this disposal I ordered for my house.

https://www.insinkerator.com/us/en/e...rbage-disposal

Our disposal let go of the magic smoke on Christmas eve. It was in the house when we bought it, and no problems with the leach field have ever been noticed. We do use the disposal sparingly anyway, but I was hoping this would work as advertised, and help with the odors.

Anybody use one of these? Still think it's a bad idea to use this with a septic system?

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I get the impression that is an handicap accessible kitchen.

Knee well at sink, front control on stove, low microwave....
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Midget or Dwarf?
Indoor air pollution issues, a semi-detached kitchen?

Existing small house converted to new home with remodel permit?
Or super silly Zoning/ covenants.
I can guarantee an Architect was involved, and it went over budget....

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Would common sense require tempered glass in a under counter application?

At least the pipes will freeze quicker...
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I'm amused that a simple plumbing question has turned into a class-warfare thread.

Yes, the rich, for which "summer" is a verb, hire architects to design their weekend houses on places like Block Island. And yes, the architects comply by designing them handsome spaces, the building of which costs a lot of money and provides jobs for contractors and skilled tradesmen.

This particular design is a riff on a dogtrot house, common in southern Appalachia in the 1800s. One of Huck and Jim's stops on their glide down the Mississippi, is at a dogtrot. This one works well to bring the sea breezes right through the central living space, and to separate the house so weekend guests have their own separate quarters.

I built a copy of an Estes/Twombly house once, from a set of purchased plans. The original had been built in Jamestown RI and the one I did was a full day's drive from there. The drawings were extensive and heavily detailed, included structural and trim details far beyond what typical residential drawings show, and I had no problems completing the place down to the last detail.

A little ways into the framing, I had a question about something and contacted the builder of the prototype house, and found out that he had bid and performed the work for a fixed price lump sum.

The one I built was in a developed area that had public sewage, so we did a grinder under the kitchen sink. The house was not a copy of the McKeough place, and had a conventional sink base under.
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I get the impression that is an handicap accessible kitchen.

Knee well at sink, front control on stove, low microwave....
Low microwaves are the "thing" these days. I've been seeing them in high end renos lately. I heard the idea is that then you can't spill super hot stuff on yourself like you could with hood-integrated ones or upper cabinet level ones.

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Low microwaves are the "thing" these days. I've been seeing them in high end renos lately. I heard the idea is that then you can't spill super hot stuff on yourself like you could with hood-integrated ones or upper cabinet level ones.

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Especially the Microwave drawers, all high end ranges that I have installed have front controls also. I thing the house looks interesting, all houses should not be the same.

If it is a handicap accessible kitchen I would have installed faucet controls on the side.
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Does anyone have a link to more pics? It looks like a photoshop job from this angle.

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Estes and Twombly, architects : they have a web site
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From a photospread in a book, here is another view of the sink.

Sorry about the graininess. I shot a pic with a phone camera.

Am pretty sure now that since this is a weekend house likely used in summer only, and also likely having a septic system, that no grinder was every contemplated, and as you can see, none is there.
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From a photospread in a book, here is another view of the sink.

Sorry about the graininess. I shot a pic with a phone camera.

Am pretty sure now that since this is a weekend house likely used in summer only, and also likely having a septic system, that no grinder was every contemplated, and as you can see, none is there.
Can't argue with rich people who pay our bills, but that is one of the goofiest sink bases I've ever seen.

So the focal point is the P-trap?

I hope they did that in pretty shiny copper.

I simply don't get it, but I don't have to live there either.
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They should have shamelessly put a disposal on the sink. And even blasted a hole in the side for the dishwasher drain, and power!
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That s-trap would never fly here.
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The voting committee overlooked that gem.

So is that window expected to be opened occasionally? It appears that the exterior aesthetics were more important than practicality, or did they intend to proudly display the trap to the world outside, too?
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The owner obviously had a bad experience with a rotted sink base at some point. He wanted to make sure that he never again had to deal with disposer caused water logged sink base cab floors. Now he can keep a close eye on it, whether he is inside or out. And there isn't even a sink base to worry about. That's a worry free life for ya.

Or there's someone with a wheel chair living there.

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