Shower Jets

nick114920

I have a customer who wants shower jets in a bathroom remodel.. they want about 6.. what do i need to do to make them have tons of pressure?? i have heard i need to install a holding tank??? any ideas?

Ron The Plumber

Turn the water up or ask your plumber he will know.

Mike Finley

What is their water pressure now? Well water? City? High, low, average?

What's the manufacturer say in their installation instructions? 3/4 valve or is it 1/2 valve?

Do they need tons of pressure or do you think they do? How far away are the jets going to be from where they are standing? Jets with tons of pressure aren't necessarily that great.

Ron The Plumber

22rifle

You are in over your head. Get a professional plumber to solve this for you. Your customer deserves it.

nick114920

there are 1/2 lines running to the shower and the pressure is from the city water which i think is around 12... i was planning on 2 heads and about 5 jets... can i run one line from jet to jet without there being a noticable difference in pressure from the first and last jet? I was also looking at a diverter valve which i think is a must for this application. Thanks for the input!!

22rifle

Dude, seriously! I ain't just dissing on you. GET A PLUMBER to handle this.

You may not like what I am saying but like it or not, my advice is the most helpful advice you are going to get in this thread.

nick114920

i have the same plumber who does all my work... this seems a little more complicated and he just seems unsure.. and the whole idea of how it works does not seem to be right to me... he is saying hes gonna put 1 line to all the jets and im afraid hes gonna lose pressure as he does this....

22rifle

OH!

So you are checking your plumber because you don't trust his work? Different story altogether (assuming you are telling the truth). Yeah, unfortunately there are a lot of plumbers out there you cannot trust. (Whenever I say hire a plumber I mean a competent one who knows what they are doing, not a hack.)

He needs to find out what the pressure is, find out the GPM of all the heads and jets, calculate the size of the line feeding the shower, and then calculate the size feeding the jets. Don't let him guess at it. Make him get out his code book and do the calculations. Since he is already guessing at it, make him show you his calculations.

BTW, static pressure is one thing, working pressure is another. You could have 100 pounds pressure and have a 1/4" line feeding the house. But as soon as you open a valve the working pressure will go to zero. So take that into consideration.

Hope this helps and if you were lying about the plumber thing may your crotch rot out.

Grumpyplumber

IF he's hesitant about seperating the control for each, somethings not right...did you shy away from the price?
I'm not saying you're cheap, but ask him to price it to control the flow to each.
Thats as far as I'm gonna go with "advice", if you're saying he won't do it just to glean info to fo it yourself...count me out.

Mike Finley

I'm not going to tell you how to do this. But I will tell you what you need to be thinking about in order to do this correctly.

#1 is think about trying to find if there is 3/4 feed to the bathroom and getting 3/4 run to the shower. Look toward installing 3/4 valves/diverters.

#2 is think "loops" when it comes to plumbing jets, not in series.

#3 make sure the jets, head #1, head #2 are all on separate diverters from each other.

#4 Always caution your customers to water volume expectations in these scenarios. Those commericals on TV with the shower spraying water from every direction looking like a carwash are commercials.

#5 Start calling the manufacturers and looking at their websites. They will be much more helpful discussing a specific scenario using specific parts then you are going to get here with generic what ifs.

nick114920

heres the story.... he baught this moen faucet and 5 or 6 jets.. he also told me this cost him $1700??? i am always worried about price but i guess not to concerned about it right now.. just wanna make sure he gets it right. my worry is if he puts 2 jets under the faucet and 2 jets on the other side of the shower hes gonna lose all his pressure on the back jets due to the fact the front jets are so close to faucet.... now people i have learned this the hardway with this guy.. he once gave me to shower heads.. one above the faucet.. the other one was located on the other side of the shower... no pressure on the other side.... and this guy probly is a hack... but great price and been a plumber for 20 years.. he claims anyway...

nick114920

Mike,

The lines supplying the shower are 1/2 lines.. they are on the second story and i think break off from the main 3/4 inch line in the basement

neolitic

Bless both of your threaded little heads!
That is exactly what I was talking about
in the other thread.
Not every plumber is competent in every
area, and I've run into a bunch who aren't
nearly as good as you guys and some others here.
Hey, you even go for a second opinion
with a surgeon.
(But then brain surgery ain't plumbing.)

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nick114920

Mike,

Your posts are always very informative and i appreciate the help. I think you forgot #6 thought on the list.

#6 pay more to a more confident plumber

The problem with this is i see the trades going down the crapper on a day to day basis.. It seems like all these guys are the same

Mike Finley

Moen = 1-800-289-6636

Press 4 for professional support.

nick114920

do you have a 1-800 number for a professional plumber? just so you know my definition of a plumber is not only a guy with the piece of paper but a guy who knows what hes doin... never met one of these guys tho... its like the old espn commercial.. if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?? so does my plumber who knows it all really exist?

Mike Finley

It's not uncommon to find a plumber who has been doing their trade for 30 years and not confident with this stuff. This shower stuff is where it's heading and not all plumbers get enough opportunity to deal with this stuff on a regular basis to know the in's and out's of it.

Just because water runs through it doesn't mean every plumber you talk to is going to be an expert on it. Like all of us they have their areas of expertese.

Grumpyplumber

Well thank you very much!!!




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neolitic

You are most welcome!








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