Question About Shower System...

plumguy

You're ignorance to the trade(plumbing) and to the members that seek help out here is one of the biggest turnoffs about this forum! How can you question my ability as a successful master plumber that has installed systems you have never even seen and obviously heard of. Ma. has one of the toughest state boards and inspectional services in the country.Anti-scald protection is one of the biggest liabilities I face everyday. Do you think I could live with myself if a child or anyone for that matter was injured???? I won't even get into the liabilities associated with GAS!I don't think you're attack on me was justified and once again you proved to me and my crew(who like to read about Finley plumbing) that you are entertaining to say the least.

Every remark and comment about the plumbing profession from you has been downplayed out here since I have been a member. The knowledge you have displayed out here is definately equal to a 1-2 year apprentice. However that is in typing not in what you can do with a wrench or design. So in closing, you and plumbing go to together like ice ream and onions
In fact I'd rather argue I mean discuss politics with Tom R.

Oh! By the way Mike, just remember one thing....



And then you will know something.


PS. The plumbing section is all you'res!!

Mike Finley

So when you said:

I was supposed to understand that you mean you are installing an anti scald device at every kitchen and bathroom faucet?

Tom R

Oh, jeez, - - don't do that to us, plumguy, - - one 'google' mis-print and we'll all drown like rats!!

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Tom R

Not confused at all, - - couldn't be more 'crystal-clear'.

Kudos on the sales pitch.

Can't seem to understand which part of your 'easier sales' gets you upset enough to lambaste someone on a public forum, - - especially one who, - - clearly, - - didn't deserve it.

An apology might be in order, - - and I don't mean to me!!

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Teetorbilt

Seems like we're back on tangents again. Why can't there be a discussion without an ego confrontation? If this keeps up, some parties (maybe all parties) will be denied access just to save the site.

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Tom R

Do you see nothing more than an ego-confrontation here??

Have you read this whole post??

Does it occur to you, that as a 'moderator', it is you who would (or at least should) normally get these PM's??

Would saving the site, - - to you, - - include protecting members from harsh and unnecessary attacks??

Is 'shooting the messenger' the best you got??

'Saving the Site' is exactly what I had in mind, thank you.

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Teetorbilt

Tom, I have read the entire thread, watched it progress and this thread is just similar to many others. We have all of the same players engaging in the same tactics which are contributing little, if anything to the context of the thread. It starts out OK and then denegrates into another name-calling pie fight.

Re-read it yourself. Stay keyed into sarcasm such as; What part of that sentence is confusing you?, In fact I'd rather argue I mean discuss politics with Tom R., So in closing, you and plumbing go to together like ice ream and onions. All not relative and interjected to incite the next guy into a similar response.

BTW, I have a degree in fluid dynamics and understand every word here but I'm still trying to figure out why we can have showers that can deliver 50 GPM and are stuck with a water saving toilet that has to be flushed twice.

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Tom R

All points well-taken, Teetor, - - should be re-read by everyone, including myself.

Just hoping the 'underlying' issue is either addressed or discontinued.

Thanks for the reply, - - consider it done.

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plumguy

No! Read my post again! I'm installing a thermostatic mixing valve (Taco 5000 series) at the heater. Not at every faucet but at the source!! And then additional adjustments are made at the anti-scald valves. If you still don't get it....read it again and then ask me a question. I'd be more than happy to educate you in area that goes further than you probably suspected. I do it everyday to my guys...in fact you should see my new chalk board!

Tom R

One more thing, though, that I think is only 'fair' to mention here, - - I have NEVER, EVER heard plumguy 'disparage' anyone on this site.

Could I have missed 'one'?? Sure.

I kind of doubt it though, - - it sure isn't a 'regular' thing.

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Teetorbilt

Noted.

I like a good scrap but even I am beginning to tire of this.

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plumguy

Teetor,

It does not come down to ego's. When someone offers advice about a subject and it is of very SERIOUS nature....Don't you think they had better know what their talking about???

If someone came out here looking for advice on loading bearing walls and structure you would not see me get involved, and rightly so.

When I see someone give advice pertaining to my profession and they are not correct are you telling me I don't have the right to correct their nonsense and lead the person seeking advice in the right and SAFE direction??
Then this person wants to give me an attitude and question me..like I'm wrong!! The suprising thing about it is... you backed up this misinformation and that is something that suprised me. But, now that I think about it you do it over on the DIY site also.

So, my question to you is this..Have you ever wondered why there are not even five plumbers part of the(active) community out here?? Because members like you get involved in topics where you need to keep out!!! I have seen you do it to MD on many occasions. You certainly are intelligent and apparently have more degrees then my thermostat...but I think you and other should stop hijacking EVERY thread.

plumguy

mdshunk

Hey, keep me out of this. You might not understand that I get great enjoyment from my exchanges with Teetor and others. I'm sick like that.

By the way, one new house I ruffed recently had an 1-1/4 municipal tap for the VOLUME needed for the 10 body sprays. The plumbing in the basement looks like a commercial job.

plumguy

Yes I know, you have entertained us all...on more than one occasion. So, I meant to ask you is you're new avatar our friend charlie or have you been playing with live circuits again.

Mike Finley

Tom R - you really need to get a hobby. Because your current one of fanning every flame you can find is really getting old and getting you no where fast. I'm not trying to incite you or insult you but your pattern is so obvious and old. This is the way I see it and is only my opinion.

Step 1 - Tom looks for any tiny flame or spark with someone he doesn't like.

Step 2 - Tom throws in a couple of comments to incite or fan the flame.

Step 3 - Tom looks for validation from others or more likely validates anything others might say that could even remotely be considered complimentary to his own intentions of flaming the person in question.

Step 4 - Tom gets reprimanded by someone in position of authority.

Step 5 - Tom kisses butt of whatever authority reprimands him.

Step 6 - Tom feigns an apology.

Step 7 - Tom repeats step one sooner or later.

While others here might jump in to the topic to comment on the controversial topic at hand that is in disagreement, you jump in to comment on the person involved in the controversy.

Tom, it's the same old thing over and over again. You've even gotten so bored you now start threads just to start sh#t.

Nobody appointed you the score keeper except yourself.

Teetorbilt

md, did the home have a pool? In the early '70's when I was designing municipal systems we generally spec'd 1/2" to 1" meters. Homes with pools went to 1-1/4 to 1-1/2" meters.

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Tom R

Thanks for the 'critique', Mike Finley, - - glad to note it wasn't out to incite or insult.

Quite the diversion, though.

Bye, now.

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Mike Finley

Okay, I re-read it all and I did a google search for that valve


Looks like they are about $100 a piece.

So tell me if I have this right or you could just explain it since you are the Master here...

You are going to turn up the hot water tank to 150 degrees, you are going to install as many of these Taco bell valves as required on each run of hot water line leading to everything but the shower, and turn them all down to 120 degree? - I assume in a 5000 square foot house this would be what maybe 5 of these valves? If I have this correct then I see the trade off in cost here start to not being worth it over a 2nd hot water tank, but I will have to wait for your confirmation.

By the way I'm sure it wasn't meant as a compliment, but I cetainly will take it as one if you think I am on par with a 1-2 year plumber. For somebody who is a remodeler and not a plumber to me that is a great compliment coming from a master plumber.

mdshunk

Nope. There was some discussion and prideful boasting by the plumber about installing the 1-1/4 tap (very unusual for resi in my area), just for the body spray setup. He went on blithering about the tap fee for such a setup, etc., etc. It was otherwise a plain home, but with a very over the top master suite/master bath. Rest of the house was on a Mana-block, except for the 1" line shot up to the master shower. I really should start taking pictures of some of this cool stuff. It is very interesting to me.