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Old 10-18-2008, 12:22 AM   #81
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I know what it is and they are NOT a 360 crimp so they leak after time.

Juts like this will! the only reason anyone would use the SS clamp ring is because it`s easy to get to most of the time to where the 360 rings you have to get the tool all the way around before you can crImp

The Vangard tool has a collapsible jaw like a rattlesnake so that you can get it around easily in tight spaces. The Zurn tool for the SS clamps in the photos earlier has longer handles and they have to be spread about 6-8 inches to get around crimp-tab but I would say that this is a 360 connection. If yours are leaking I would suggest calibrating it with a Zurn "go/no go" gauge to tell if you have crimped the ring sufficient for a viable seal.
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Old 10-18-2008, 12:34 AM   #82
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I've used the black rings and after I crimp them I notice where the tool closes and where the hinge is the black paint is gone and copper is showing. Where I'm getting at is if it's truely a 360 crimp why only in those 2 spots the black paint is gone?? The new zurn ring like in the pic. Had a recall on them. I'm not sure if they been released yet here in IN. I liked them, bought the compact crimping tool and 2 days later found out that there was were recalled on those rings so I went back to the other SS rings. What do you think about the expandable pex with the pump tool?? (wirsbo) I had a rep stop by my office and talked to me about it. Man that tool is exspensive. I've heard it's a real pain to work with in the cold weather! I tried to research the rumor and I came to the conclussion it was the new rings by zurn that was the issue. Just got a little twisted up from person to person.

I worked for a large 5k plus employee new construction company. We used Vangard, Wirsbo, and towards the end Zurn. After a hard day of tending to my foremant duties I would offer to do after hours ER service. The only leaks I encountered were issues with poorly manufactured pipe (rare) and 1 where the installer did not turn the tool as needed. I prefer Wirsbo expansion connections over all. This is where you put another support ring at point of connection then expand the end of the pipe by pumping/expanding releasing lather, rinse repeat until the expansion tool bottomed out into the pipe then quickly remove the tool and put in the barbed fitting. In cold weather the 1"+ can be taxing but they have drills that can help to make those connections easier to achieve. Also the wait-time to turn on water is increased because the retraction of the pipe takes longer to seal. With that being said you must make sure that your working with an unblemished toll and that each expansion you are turning the tool as to not get repeated grooved on the interior of the pipe causing leakage. Also all PEX pipe is photo sensitive and not petroleum product resistant.
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These will leak and the ones in the pic up top will do the same





This is what I use

The SS ring you show is the old style. Try using the new style that there has been a picture posted on the first page of this thread. As for the copper rings theyre garbage.
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like I said, I use to be a Trailer House mfg plumber and I installed miles and miles of the old quest pipe and pex works the same way. That Picture I posted of some quest pipe installed back in the 80`s was not a complete 360 crImp and it leaks right where the crImp leaves a void on the ring. If you don't have pressure 360 all the way around a clamp it will leak as the pipe will mushroom up in that area that has "no pressure" on it causing a void for water to leak though. I said this back in the 80`s and look at the quest pipe leak at every joint now i have recrimped quest pipe with my new pex crimp tool and the leaks stops....hummmmmmmmmm Say what you want but it`s gonna leak

I go off what my brain see`s and what it tell`s me
I just repaired a line in a manufactured home that had the SS ring you are describing. Funny enough the connection wasn't leaking it was the paper thin pex pipe that was used had cracked and run down the pipe. I believe quest was garbage but from what I remember the quest fittings had nuts on them the pipe was grey and you would simply plug the pipe into the hub with the oring tighten the nut and valah! crap crap crap. Not so sure were talking about the same stuff because this pipe was marked Vangard and was black.
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I doubt it.... He seems hell bent on being "right" that the SS rings will leak, so whatever. My gripe is alot of other plumbers will read all this and believe that no matter what the rings will leak "over time".

And just to repeat what I originally said, if properly crimped they work great.

And for whoever said my rings look like ones from Lowes........sigh....
From Santa Barbara to Manhatten Beach, I have yet to see a Lowes or Bum Depot that carries any pex tubing or crimps. I get my Zurn Pex stuff from a professional supply house. If they are the same, I wouldn't know because I have never seen the others. I do not make it a habit of buying/installing anything from box stores....Professional plumbers do not do that.

I saw the new Zurn rings rolled out at my shop like 2 years ago. Those rings are the same rings they are selling in Lowes in SoCal. FYI I am a professional plumber however I do emergency service like rat knawed pex that requires that I stoop to level of a DIY
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Ummmmm lets see here , you don't think they approved the quest pipe ??? and it leaks, right ? Do it right as what I`m all about dont take the easy way out and use the ss clamp because you are to damn cheap and to damn lazy to do it right with the 360 clamp rings.

Did you miss that earlier point made? What is the difference with a hose clamp and SS clamp. The SS clamp is a 360 degree fitting just as a hose clamp is. Malable copper rings have no place being used on water connections. Look closely my friend you your copper ring once its been crimped. Theres a portion on it that has a bump just where the end of the crimp tool comes together. Take a "go/no-go" gauge to the fitting they have them for both types of connections. Tell me if the tool will go all the way around. It will not the protrusion will stop it. Theres no difference except the rings you use are soft. Try a test...Make a connection with the copper rings. Then stress it to one side then the next. It will leak. Try that with SS connections. I am guessing it will stop posting the benefits of an inadequate connection.
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You are the one talking about " UPC approved "
I said I recrimped Quest pipes with the PEX TOOL! I could not give a crap what someone paid UPC to
approve. Like I said being how you want to bring up UPC, they also aproved Quest and it leaks

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Quest pipes have nuts on them and barbs to hold pipe in fitting what Quest pipe are you talking about?
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I run from all this junk. This wouldn't be a thread if there weren't issues with what works n what doesn't. don't post flood me ca plumber,
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I agree 100%
I used the SS ones on one job and about a 1/3 of them leaked. I cut the leakers out and tried again making sure they were done right. They still leaked. About 2 weeks later more of them leaked on that same job. I went back out and cut ALL of them out and redid the whole job with the tried and true copper ones. I've installed about 100K copper rings and they have NEVER leaked (except when I made an obvious retarded/mangled crimp). Going on just over 10 years now on the copper rings, still not a single leak. I recently went back to an old job to remodel and spun some of the old fittings and they STILL WOULDNíT LEAK! Copper all the way


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These will leak and the ones in the pic up top will do the same





This is what I use

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I agree 100%
I used the SS ones on one job and about a 1/3 of them leaked. I cut the leakers out and tried again making sure they were done right. They still leaked. About 2 weeks later more of them leaked on that same job. I went back out and cut ALL of them out and redid the whole job with the tried and true copper ones. I've installed about 100K copper rings and they have NEVER leaked (except when I made an obvious retarded/mangled crimp). Going on just over 10 years now on the copper rings, still not a single leak. I recently went back to an old job to remodel and spun some of the old fittings and they STILL WOULDN’T LEAK! Copper all the way

I use them ss rings all the time, never had a leaker.
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Maybe I have a defective pinch tool
I did buy it at blowes.
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Maybe I have a defective pinch tool
I did buy it at blowes.

They make a gauge for the ss tool to test the tool gap.The manufacturer should be able to supply one.I always use the go/no-go for the rings too.

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