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Old 09-21-2007, 11:11 AM   #61
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I use the flanged Cu stub outs crimped to pex, the rockers can't miss it. Maybe I'm misunderstanding...
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:07 PM   #62
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It seems that most of the crimpers need you to be at right angles to the connection. How do you do repairs in tight places where you can only approach on parallel with the pipes?

Do you use the Shark Bite Fittings or just always open the wall?
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Just purchased a sharkbite starter kit through the Wolverine Brass rep. Thought they would come in handy on the service end of our company.
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Old 09-21-2007, 03:03 PM   #64
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Sharkbite, sold at home depot.
HD notoriously appeases to the general homeowner, it's a lucrative industry.
I've used Sharkbite, they're fine, as long as you don't expect them to move. Ask the homeowner to babysit them and refer them to the MFG in the event of a liability claim.
After seeing what hard water does to the seals on a globe valve/stop, would I really want the integrity of my work to depend on rubber for pressurized water?
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After seeing what hard water does to the seals on a globe valve/stop, would I really want the integrity of my work to depend on rubber for pressurized water?
What a valid thought you came up with, many a times I lift a tank let to replace a flapper, and reach in and the tips of the fingers turns black as night, no chlorine tablets in this tank, hummm.............. there is chlorine in the water, enough to cause this to happen, is this not the same neoprene rubber used for o-rings? To my knowledge it is. Scary, and to think UPC allows said fitting to be using in water distro. I might have to think twice when I use this product.
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I think everyone needs to switch over to the ProPex method. Its way better than previous pex methods.
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And for whoever said my rings look like ones from Lowes........sigh....
From Santa Barbara to Manhatten Beach, I have yet to see a Lowes or Bum Depot that carries any pex tubing or crimps. I get my Zurn Pex stuff from a professional supply house.
You must be kidding. Every HD I've seen carries Pex/Fittings/Crimpers. Lowe's has been a little slower in stocking it. I agree that professionals don't really shop these box stores, but admittedly, the consumer can get pretty much anything that the professional has access to except experience. People don't hire pros because they have access to materials that the lay man doesn't. They hire them for experience. PEX in particular just made it much easier for the DIYer to handle plumbing projects. HD and Lowes would be nuts not to stock it.
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You must be kidding. Every HD I've seen carries Pex/Fittings/Crimpers. Lowe's has been a little slower in stocking it. I agree that professionals don't really shop these box stores, but admittedly, the consumer can get pretty much anything that the professional has access to except experience. People don't hire pros because they have access to materials that the lay man doesn't. They hire them for experience. PEX in particular just made it much easier for the DIYer to handle plumbing projects. HD and Lowes would be nuts not to stock it.

I'm not kidding. So let me say it a different way:
....And for whoever said my rings look like ones from Lowes........sigh....
From Santa Barbara to Manhatten Beach, I have yet to see a Lowes or Bum Depot that carries any pex tubing or crimps. I get my Zurn Pex stuff from a professional supply house.


Different area stores CAN AND DO stock different Items.
I'm sure Lowes and Bum Depot are simply waiting for the illegals to learn how to use them, than they will stock it.
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OK, here's the skinny. Vanguard, now VIEGA, has over 1 billion crimp joints in place without any significant problems. Most problems are due to poor installation. The newer ideas, Oetiker, Wirsbo expansion, ss sleeve, all come into play for "marketing" reasons, not because they are better. If crimps were bad, other than aluminum on acetal fittings, then all of Utah and Idaho would be under water. Remeber, "The proof is in the eatin'", and nothings been "eatin'" more than Vanguard crimp joints...bar none.
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In my area Zurn is sold at HD almost exclusively.
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In my area Zurn is sold at HD almost exclusively.
Same here in Oregon. Additionallly, a HD employee told me that "stainless steel clamps are not code for in wall, so if you're going to bury it behind drywall, you need to use crimp rings."

I would never consider HD a resource for code, and I have had plenty of ssc applications pass inspection, holding 2 years and no call backs related to ssc, but does anyone know where this is coming from?

I'm suspecting Zurn is training HD plumbing associates and trying to promote their product?
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Hi Angelspit,

Welcome To PZ, I see you talk about Oregon, where at are you in Oregon? If your here in Oregon, Can you give us an intro, in into forum.
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Hi Angelspit,

Welcome To PZ, I see you talk about Oregon, where at are you in Oregon? If your here in Oregon, Can you give us an intro, in into forum.

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Edit ok my bad just tired, long day, hay welcome to CT where in Oregon are you?
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Was called on to finish a plumbing job that was started and the plumber was paid in full so he took off without finishing the job. Anyways the OH / builder wanted pex, I told him that I don't have the tools to finish the job. Upon looking at what was done, I noticed the compress rings where made of some type of white plastic and they where somehow heated and compressed to hold the pex line to the fitting. Has anyone seen this before?
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Was called on to finish a plumbing job that was started and the plumber was paid in full so he took off without finishing the job. Anyways the OH / builder wanted pex, I told him that I don't have the tools to finish the job. Upon looking at what was done, I noticed the compress rings where made of some type of white plastic and they where somehow heated and compressed to hold the pex line to the fitting. Has anyone seen this before?
Yes but it's not what you think.
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Your statment of "having a crImp all the way around" is just wrong. Silly actually. The black painted copper rings are not at all as good of a connection vs. the SS rings. If anything the copper is much softer than the SS and more prone to loosen over time.

I have to say that I have seen nothing but problems with the copper rings used by Vangard. From my understanding Vangard is Zurn. Not sure if it was a merger or what but their fittings are interchangeable as far as the ones I've used. The SS rings are good and I have recently seen the Zurn fitting being stocked at Lowes. They actually have a stop and an eyehole for so you can see if your pipe is all the way into the crimpring. The tool looks like a front crimp dikes and you crimp a small tab at one side of the ring. Theres also a "go/no go" guage that came with the tool. I am sorry to say that I actually am forced to shop at retail because on some things I dco much better on pricing. Anywho. Hope this helps.
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This is the SS ring...I've never even used those other ones.

I might have better pics - gotta look...
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Those are the crimp rings Im doing a partial reroute for an inaccessible reroute I'm finishing on Sunday. I actually had to check with the municipality because half the cities in my area are banning the pex. I disagree if used underslab. One negative about running the pex overhead is that they require that it be run under the insulation or individually insulated hot and cold. Also another problem to think about is that the is the possibility of rodents chewing the pipe and creating a sprinkler system in the attic. I would stress pest control to homeowners. I would say thought that you would have the same issues with romex and fires.
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Does anyone have any recommendations of the best tools for working with Pex? I will probably go with the copper crimp rings.
The problem with the copper rings is that they are malable. During the construction process even by following the manufacturers instructions and not starting the make a change in direction from connection until at least 12" from point of connection you still have other trades that can disturb, move, step on and otherwise put pressure on your connections until MEPS inspection has been competed and the insulation and drywall are slated to go up. In my opinion the copper rings are just a liability waiting to happen. Once installed all it takes is undo pressure to be put on the pipe by others which is hard to prove then the malable ring becomes loosened. I prefer the SS because essentially they are 360 fitting just crimped at one end with a very durable material. Also the new type rings are kind of idiot proof for the simple fact they have a hub or stop if you will to let you put the pipe in just the right amount as apposed to the copper rings where you have to set the ring right in place (approx 1/8" from end of pipe on 1/2" pipe while on fitting). Some times the ring slides down the pipe so you have to oblong it prior to setting on pipe so it doesn't move when you have your crimptool set to crimp. This happens mostly with 3/4" and 1" rings. The only good thing I can say is that the tools however one per size are very forgiving when it comes to tight spaces. I would still choose to go with the SS fittings no contest. I wouldn't want the liability.
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I may be interested in seeing who the maker is on the rings and if I got the rings who and where to get the proper tool.
BTW- You would need only one tool for those rings, right?

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