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Old 07-17-2007, 08:14 AM   #21
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I may be interested in seeing who the maker is on the rings and if I got the rings who and where to get the proper tool.
BTW- You would need only one tool for those rings, right?

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Old 07-17-2007, 12:55 PM   #22
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Thats the old quest pipe and rings, thats not in use today.
I know what it is and they are NOT a 360 crimp so they leak after time.

Juts like this will! the only reason anyone would use the SS clamp ring is because it`s easy to get to most of the time to where the 360 rings you have to get the tool all the way around before you can crImp

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I've used the black rings and after I crimp them I notice where the tool closes and where the hinge is the black paint is gone and copper is showing. Where I'm getting at is if it's truely a 360 crimp why only in those 2 spots the black paint is gone?? The new zurn ring like in the pic. Had a recall on them. I'm not sure if they been released yet here in IN. I liked them, bought the compact crimping tool and 2 days later found out that there was were recalled on those rings so I went back to the other SS rings. What do you think about the expandable pex with the pump tool?? (wirsbo) I had a rep stop by my office and talked to me about it. Man that tool is exspensive. I've heard it's a real pain to work with in the cold weather! I tried to research the rumor and I came to the conclussion it was the new rings by zurn that was the issue. Just got a little twisted up from person to person.
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I know what it is and they are NOT a 360 crimp so they leak after time.

Juts like this will! the only reason anyone would use the SS clamp ring is because it`s easy to get to most of the time to where the 360 rings you have to get the tool all the way around before you can crImp

Maybe you should try it. What's the deal with this "360 CRIMP"?
Of course it's a 360 degree crimp.....Are you telling me that there is less pressure on the clamp in the opposite side of the crimp mech? If so ya got it all wrong. Think of a SS hose clamp.....Same design. These clamps are alot tighter than a hose clamp. And the reason it's stainless, is because it's a much harder and stronger material. The copper rings, after installing a connection will allow you to easily spin the pex on the fitting. While you can still do that with the SS clamps, it's MUCH harder to spin. But hay, you do it your way, and I'll do it mine. I'll assume you warranty your work like I do, so only time will tell if you're fixing my stuff or if I'm fixing yours.

As for the "recall" of these clamps, I have no knowledge of that, nor have I heard anything about it. Maybe that was before I started using PEX. I've personally installed at least 200 connections, and not one is leaking, so that tells me it works....and so does the UL / UPC listing and code compliance.
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I know what it is and they are NOT a 360 crimp so they leak after time.

Juts like this will! the only reason anyone would use the SS clamp ring is because it`s easy to get to most of the time to where the 360 rings you have to get the tool all the way around before you can crImp
I think this talk about 360 degree clamping pressure is off base, but in the above picture , the PEX doesn't seem to be coming off the pipe in a straight line for the proper distance and will put undue pressure on one side of the connection, which may cause it to leak. When the SS ring is crimped, if it crimps it into a circle, then pressure should be equal all the way around the barbs.
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There is no clamp pressure where I marked the picture, think what you want, but it`s gonna leak in time!
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the clamps in the picture look like the ones from Lowes-they're lighter weight as compared to the more difficult ones I get from the plumbing supply house (the ones which can slide down before clamping). The design is different though and there is a band inside the crimp band-full 360 degree coverage
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These will leak and the ones in the pic up top will do the same





This is what I use


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These will leak and the ones in the pic up top will do the same


How many of these type have you come across as leakers?
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I talked to Mr. Morgan from Zurn yesterday adn asked him about the SS crimp rings. The Ortiker has had some problems but the Zurn Quick Clamp if crimped properly works perfectly.
I started out asking/telling about the problems I have heard about them, the stainless rings, and proceeded to ask if their ring has had problems and if they were corrected. Everything is great with their ring if crimped properly. per Mr. Morgan.
I may have to turn over a new leaf and get one tool for all tubing sizes.

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I talked to Mr. Morgan from Zurn yesterday adn asked him about the SS crimp rings. The Ortiker has had some problems but the Zurn Quick Clamp if crimped properly works perfectly.
I started out asking/telling about the problems I have heard about them, the stainless rings, and proceeded to ask if their ring has had problems and if they were corrected. Everything is great with their ring if crimped properly. per Mr. Morgan.
I may have to turn over a new leaf and get one tool for all tubing sizes.

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I hope this will clarify to All Clear Sewer that these rings are safe and proven to be a leak free connection.
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I hope this will clarify to All Clear Sewer that these rings are safe and proven to be a leak free connection.
I doubt it.... He seems hell bent on being "right" that the SS rings will leak, so whatever. My gripe is alot of other plumbers will read all this and believe that no matter what the rings will leak "over time".

And just to repeat what I originally said, if properly crimped they work great.

And for whoever said my rings look like ones from Lowes........sigh....
From Santa Barbara to Manhatten Beach, I have yet to see a Lowes or Bum Depot that carries any pex tubing or crimps. I get my Zurn Pex stuff from a professional supply house. If they are the same, I wouldn't know because I have never seen the others. I do not make it a habit of buying/installing anything from box stores....Professional plumbers do not do that.
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here more on this from another site

http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11542
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Have you seen this happen yourself, or are you going by what others say in other forums, let me just add to this I have not had and have not seen problems with these rings, we have installed thousands of these with no leaks, until there is some proof coming from the MFG saying there is problems, don't start telling us on this forum there is a problem.

Thats all I will say on this subject, I will not get into a debut with you over this.
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like I said, I use to be a Trailer House mfg plumber and I installed miles and miles of the old quest pipe and pex works the same way. That Picture I posted of some quest pipe installed back in the 80`s was not a complete 360 crImp and it leaks right where the crImp leaves a void on the ring. If you don't have pressure 360 all the way around a clamp it will leak as the pipe will mushroom up in that area that has "no pressure" on it causing a void for water to leak though. I said this back in the 80`s and look at the quest pipe leak at every joint now i have recrimped quest pipe with my new pex crimp tool and the leaks stops....hummmmmmmmmm Say what you want but it`s gonna leak

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Come on Ron, dont take your ball and go home. This is how we learn stuff.

I come in here to learn things.
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you gotta be kidding me guy.....
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i have recrimped quest pipe with my new pex crimp tool and the leaks stops
Unreal.......Do the world of plumbing a favor....do it right, or don't do it at all. I just got a clear understanding of what this whole BS thread is about. I'm done with this, and as far as you wanting to learn....please spare me. You have no desire to learn only a desire to preach HEAR SAY of second hand information about something you have no experience using (SS crimps).

Gosh, I wonder what those idiots at UL were thinking when approved these? MAybe the morons that write the UPC should have consulted with you about the mechanical engineering of these things. You seem to know it all already.
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Gosh, I wonder what those idiots at UL were thinking when approved these?
UL doesn't approve anything, you pay them a fee and they test that your product does what you detail it will do, and then they give you permission to use their logo and mark it UL listed.

I just wanted to point that out.
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Come on Ron, dont take your ball and go home. This is how we learn stuff.

I come in here to learn things.
BINGO!
This place is a goldmine...pro's can come here and exchange experience...taking a difference personally cuts you off.
As far as the topics concerned, I'm still in the dark ages...only use PEX on heat where the fittings are exposed.
Please, don't anyone take that personal...I'm just a wimp when it comes to taking chances.
I'll just give it a few years and see which product really stands the test.
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I didn't mean for people to get up tight! I had a supplier tell me something. I asked if anyone else heard of this. I tried to research it. Didn't find the answer I was looking for. So I went to my other 2 suppliers and they both said the new zurn ring had a little problem so they reacalled them for a few weeks or so to resolve the problem. Now the problem is fixed because they are selling them again. I'm not 100% this was country wide but that is what happen here in Indy. I'm just going to keep using the SS rings for now. Maybe one day I will try the expandable type, But I never have used it myself but I've seen it in houses. Not sure what really hold it on, I personally think it would weakend and blow off since there is not a crimp ring on it. To sum it all up.... I'm going to use my rings and everyone else use what they want and in time we will see what happens. That's why we have Insurance for and so does the pex company that warranty's the pipe and way of connection they approve. So let move on!!!

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