No Air Gap For Dishwasher

catspaw

your welcome!

Ron The Plumber

Call your plumber

joboggi

I put a bottle brush down the air gap. Problem fixed......There was a plumber who came up with the idea. He put it on a video in cyberspace somewhere. His other idea is to use a wet vac. He seems to think that will work. The other thing is the notion that this water is being evacuated at high speed, and so one's drain may need snaking.

But hey, thanks for the professional advice.

naptown CR

Did either of you guys read the OP date 2006!

joboggi

yes, I didn't want to start a new thread. I C that they took my FIRST post off this thread. I apparently just disappeared.

Friendly guys on this site.

Rarely have ?s. This was a weird one, until it turned out to be easy.

the last post here was in July though.

Ron The Plumber

It disappeared cause your nothing but a diy'er, you have asked nothing more then just how to fix something, take your questions to diychatroom.com

joboggi

business on the side for a very long time. but hey, ron, r u the welcoming committee that harasses new posters on the web site. I mean seriously. I read through some other threads. You seem to have one answer.

I am going to report you.

joboggi

and obtw, ron, the plumber did not fix this the first time around. So I wanted more insight into the problem. The Garbage disp is brand spanking new, as is most of the kitchen, thanks to the rest of the crew.

To those who have no idea what this is about due to the untimely deletion, water started coming out of the air gap for the DW. Pipes and GBGD seemed clear although there was some debris in the air gap. It was finally fixed with a bottle brush in the air gap itself.

DoItRite

This seems to be a never-ending debate, so I’ll finally try to put an end to it. I have been a plumbing/ mechanical inspector for 23 years and the code has not changed requiring a dishwasher airgap the entire time.

I am speaking of the Uniform Plumbing Code (UPC) published by IAPMO. There are other plumbing codes which some jurisdictions have adopted, but the UPC is the most popular, however most states and local jurisdictions do make some changes to it, and the DW air gap requirement may be one.

The only sure way to know is to call your local jurisdiction, but even in my office, this issue is sure to raise a fire-storm of debate. Many inspectors ignore the requirement while others enforce it. Most of the points made on this thread for reasons not to install are valid, but nonetheless, the requirement remains.

The latest edition (2009) of the UPC 807.4:

“ No domestic dishwashing machine shall be directly connected to a drainage system or food waste disposer without the use of an approved dishwasher airgap fitting on the discharge side of the dishwashing machine. Listed airgaps shall be installed with the flood level (FL) marking at or above the flood level of the sink or drainboard, whichever is higher.”

The reason for the requirement is BACK-SIPHONING. This may happen if there is blockage in the waste line down stream of the sink and the dishwasher discharges and backs up into the sink. This standing water in the sink could siphon back into the dishwasher when the cycle is complete. I have personally seen this happen on many occasions, especially in older homes with smaller drain piping, and with older dishwashers. This is a real possibility with any home and any dishwasher without an airgap.

Beware of the plumber who says “I’ve been doing this for 10/ 20/ 30 years and NEVER used them or had a problem.” (I’ve heard them all) What they are REALLY saying is that they have never had a call-back. BIG DIFFERENCE. No plumber revisits all of the houses that he has plumbed every few months to see if everything is working properly.

I personally don’t see the need for an airgap fitting on a modern dishwasher, but there is no universal requirement that dishwashers be built with a foolproof back-siphoning system. Yes, they are unsightly and spit water all over and are routinely removed by plumbers and appliance installers alike, but it should be your choice, and make it on reliable information.

DuMass

I suppose it could still happen due to gravity. I know that all of the dishwashers I’ve serviced for probably the last 30-years have either some type of a normally closed, solenoid operated drain valve or built in flapper type one-way check valve. As I recall, even the old Kitchenaid dishwashers from the late 1950’s or early 1960’s even had the drain solenoids.

UALocal1Plumber

If the code requires something, you have to install it that way. Your professional experience does not override the duly created building, electrical, or plumbing code.

Remember that your license is granted by a government body, and that when you practice your trade you are acting as a representative of that body. You have an obligation to meet the minimum requirements of the code. Anything else, and you are remiss in your responsibilities, no better than a handyman.

Keith

stp57

If the disposal is new, maybe you forgot to knock the DW drain plug out of it?
Steve