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Old 05-25-2013, 09:51 AM   #21
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Its without a doubt a DIY product....add in shark bites and I feel bad for plumbers. It amazes me how the industry is pushing plastic which is in my opionion not green. I think in Europe there are places that ban plastic piping and supply because PVC has lead in it. Maybe in 15 years you will have to be certified to remove all of it LOL.
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Old 05-25-2013, 05:52 PM   #22
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This is exactly my concern. Now it wouldnt affect pressure but that friction has to affect volume.

And then theres bonding/electric. I know its here to stay I just think the old time test copper is best. My plumbers concern is the cost and losing jobs.
What I'm saying is, a PEX water sizing chart takes into consideration the diameter of the fittings ( friction loss ). It has its own formula specifically for using it. That means, it isn't sized the same as copper.
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I've run across too many "copper" plumbers that didn't have a basic fitting or valve in the truck. That makes me nuts. I even told them the issue ahead of time. It's good to be the king, I guess.

My dad likes to say "Honor thy plumber" for some reason.
That's the official slogan of "Hodes Company" where plumbers buy repair parts online.
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Its without a doubt a DIY product....add in shark bites and I feel bad for plumbers. It amazes me how the industry is pushing plastic which is in my opionion not green. I think in Europe there are places that ban plastic piping and supply because PVC has lead in it. Maybe in 15 years you will have to be certified to remove all of it LOL.
Not really. In the world of plumbing, water distribution is the brain dead portion. It's the easy part of plumbing. Copper isn't difficult, just takes a little practice.
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I noticed a warning on the front of some push fit fittings the other day. It said something along the lines of only use in accessible areas. not sure if this is a new up upcoming requirement or what but strange they only just started putting this warning on them.
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Its without a doubt a DIY product....add in shark bites and I feel bad for plumbers. It amazes me how the industry is pushing plastic which is in my opionion not green. I think in Europe there are places that ban plastic piping and supply because PVC has lead in it. Maybe in 15 years you will have to be certified to remove all of it LOL.
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I find it ironic people don't trust plastic type products. The one single product on the planet that takes a million years to disintegrate in a landfill somehow wouldn't last inside a home in a dry environment?

Now consider trailer homes. The cheapest and crappiest products on the planet are found in a trailer home. The plastic tubing they used for decades isn't PEX, PEX is like a Mercedes compared to the crap they put into those trailer homes. Water leaks from trailer homes.....as it concerns crimped fittings, is a rarity.

In not for or against it, I just adapt to trends and keep rolling. I own a plumbing business so I don't have a choice.

It was mentioned that wholesales are not carrying copper? I find that impossible to believe. Hospitals and clinics are still using copper and it's very much in wide usage. Every house around me is putting in plastic water pipe of some sort by my truck is filled with $1,000's in copper fittings. 10's of thousands of homes around me have existing copper and that's failing and needs to be repaired. Splicing in plastic looks terrible. If a house has copper and it needs a repair, copper is going in come hell or high water.
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Same here. Isn't that concerning to many plumbers? I realize there will always be a demand for plumbing service, and installations. But, many a home-owner isn't afraid of plastic. Whereas copper, that's a whole different story.

Hey, we all have our own challenges, but this plastic stuff is going to hurt you guys (opinion).
Not a chance.

The year is 2013. We live in a time where DIY programs are more popular than ever. But that does not mean people actually do it. The average person watches something like 30-40 hours of television a week. Because they watch so much TV they don't have time to get off the couch. The other thing is "skill level". While the Internet has made information readily available like never before In human history...... the average human is getting dumber by the minute. We were once a country of DIY's, I mean man, people use to do all sorts of hands on stuff. Thats been replaced by television. People are in love with the "idea", they are not in love with anything that resembles physical work. And thanks to our teachers and the rest of the smart people......hands on activities are frowned upon in the school systems.

And while it may first appear that new products like PEX and sharkbites would reduce profitability it's actually the opposite. I can do more service calls in a 8 hour period than I could do 10 years ago thanks to these products. Profit is increasing!
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It was mentioned that wholesales are not carrying copper? I find that impossible to believe.
They carry copper but not the volume/quantity of it. "kelly supply co" that I use use to have 3 isle of just copper, now it is one isle. Instead of have 1,000 90* copper elbows they have 100.

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They carry copper but not the volume/quantity of it. "kelly supply co" that I use use to have 3 isle of just copper, now it is one isle. Instead of have 1,000 90* copper elbows they have 100.

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Keep in mind though, my wholesalers service the Milwaukee markets so they are quite large.
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Been the done that That's why is struck me as odd, that he mentioned that he doesn't do copper. I am sure he does when the situation arises, but, as a rule?
I run copper all the time.
I service the same area you do.
As a matter of fact I saw your van in the parking lot of Standard Supply in Boise just the other day, I wanted to go shake your hand but I had a rush job to get done.

PM me some time Id like to meet you , we could probably help each other out .
I currently don't have an Electrician or HVAC gut to refer to my customers.

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