Be Honest PEX Pucker.

PARA1

I WISH THIS P.E.X. CRAP WOULD DISAPEAR! Honestly if it was the same cost as copper would you use it? Me, NO FREAkIN WAY! I'm sick of it! From now on I'm down selling the use of this crap to any customer. I think I'll do a parts cost comparison with GALVI to even upsale above copper. Let's get back to selling a quality product that you can stand back and look at and be proud to reflect back on the apprentice days of pain it took to learn how to work with these materials effectivley.

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PARA1

put This In Your Crimper And Crap On It !

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Putty Truck

Bro, I am sick of copper. The cost, the soldering, the flux...you name it.

Besides, the ho can't buy pex parts or the pex tools, so that's a major plus.

PARA1

All ZURN PEX fittings, pipe and tools sold at LOEWS here.

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smellslike$tome

Why don't you tell us what you really think?

What exactly is it that you don't like about it?

Have you actually used it? What systems? What brands?

Have you had any material failures?

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Mike Finley

As a remodeler, the ability for a plumber to snake Pex under a subfloor from one side of a room to the other like an electrician pulling wire, without having to pull up the whole floor or open the ceiling below is pretty hard to find something wrong with!

PARA1

I just want to know HONESTLY, would you plumb your new home with it? A home you had to live in for the next 20 years.

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KillerToiletSpider

No.

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smellslike$tome

I'm currently in the midst of a bathroom remodel in my house. All of the existing water distribution (copper) has been demoed and replaced with pex.


Again, what is it about pex that you object to?

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smellslike$tome

I also recently installed a pot filler in my house using pex for the branch service terminating with a pex drop eared 90.

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PARA1

For repair in a tight spot --O.K. I just finished 2 different small new construction jobs with steel framing. Took me longer than copper, plus I dont like the way the stuff looks riding on top of my sweet new ride! Another thing is the fact that the pipe fits over the fitting --WTF! , that's a inherent built in restriction with the product line itself.

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smellslike$tome

Why would it take you longer than copper? If it was a manifold system of course that would take longer and much more pipe than a traditional branch system, and of course you would have to use insulators through any stud penetration with metal studs. But you would have to do that with copper too. On balance, even with a manifold type system, it should take you much less time to install than copper.

Can't help you with how it looks on your truck but that's really a personal issue and no reflection on the performance of the product.

Can you or your clients see any discernible fixture performance issues?

I install a good bit of this pipe and believe me I was leery at first. I'm not trying to convert you I just want to know specifically what you don't like about it whether it's performance issue or simply personal preference. If anyone has a legitimate problem with it I want to know so I know whether to re-evaluate my use of it or not. In my case, I had already installed literally miles of it while working for other employers with no known issues but ultimately my name was not on it. When I went into business I continued using it but did some more research. I currently hold it to be equal to and in many ways superior to copper. If you've got something legitimate let's hear it. If it's simply an opinion that's ok too I'd just like to know which one it is.

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Ron The Plumber

Yes

PARA1

It's personal, but I'm still following the class A lawsuit about fitting failure.

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Ron The Plumber

Thats only for fitting that had q-pex marked on them.

JamesNLA

I use it. I use it all the time. I hate copper now. Don't get me wrong I still stock all copper fittings to 1 1/2 but my preference is PEX. And yes I would use it in my own home, it performs better. No more creeks and cracks as a hot water line tempers, AND there is less surface friction, which means the water can travel through the pipe at a faster speed. The ability to make 90 degree turns W/O fittings helps keep volume up, and I make good money on it. I have repiped about 20 or so houses in the past year and not one problem. No complaints of taste - no leaks - and if there are kids there I usually leave them a few feet of red and blue to beat the crap out of eachother!

I will say this, I don't really care for the crimper tool. It has screwed me on more than one occasion. I really wish they would re-design it for one handed use.
As far as the lawsuit goes, I used the fittings that they claim to be bad...and maybe they were but I have never had one issue . I heard it was only in a few states where these problem fittings were sold.

I love waiting at the counter in the supply house and listning to these old farts whine about it, and how it's just like poly pipe....Keep telling your customers how bad it is.....my bids with pex almost always net me the job. Price is king.....you can have your lawsuit, I'm making money.

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Chris Johnson

James...

Here is what we used to use, they are one handed

1/2" isn't bad, 3/4" get's tough after a while

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JamesNLA

I seem to remember seeing something like that, however I use the SS clamps. Thanks

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RopeaGoat

We've used Pex now for the past 4 years on all new res construction and have not had any functional problems... My dad's issue was asthetics. He hates the way it looked in the basement, especially the hot because it would "wrinkle" when it got hot. And we taloned it on every joist, etc. To get around this we did the last two houses with a combination of Flowgold for the mains and pex heading upstairs. The other thing dad doesn't like is red & blue so he and I just use the white. Also chose Wirsbro b/c the fittings are slightly larger and haven't had any issues with pressure.
Just a rookies $.02.

ChrWright

I'd rather have pex, no question...Especially on a house with a water softener and a re-circ.

I'm with Mike, too, on the remodel side. There are things you can do with pex that you can't do with any other piping.

Most of the old school plumbers I know don't like it simply for the fact that it makes it easier for Joe-Shmoe Homeowner to work on. The same was said about the transition from cast iron to PVC...

Am I missing something or did you say you "upsell" to Galvi???

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