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novicepro · 08-19-2008, 11:23 AM

I'm currently doing a kitchen remodel and I just wanna make sure that what I wanna do is possible before I close up the walls and ceilings.
I will be putting an instant hot water dispenser by the sink and a filter for the unit. The coffee maker (a Miele) is on the opposite wall. I would like to run this on the same filter. Are the fittings pretty standard on these filters so I can just T off it? Thanks in advance.

22rifle · 08-19-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by novicepro

I'm currently doing a kitchen remodel and I just wanna make sure that what I wanna do is possible before I close up the walls and ceilings.
I will be putting an instant hot water dispenser by the sink and a filter for the unit. The coffee maker (a Miele) is on the opposite wall. I would like to run this on the same filter. Are the fittings pretty standard on these filters so I can just T off it? Thanks in advance.

What did your plumber say?

KillerToiletSpider · 08-19-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 22rifle

What did your plumber say?

GC in Calif. means he is doing it himself, that state allows it.

One of these days some GC will hook something up wrong and poison a town's water supply, maybe then the state will rethink their policy.

22rifle · 08-19-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerToiletSpider

GC in Calif. means he is doing it himself, that state allows it.

One of these days some GC will hook something up wrong and poison a town's water supply, maybe then the state will rethink their policy.

I know that. But legal to do it and should do it are two different things.

novicepro · 08-19-2008, 04:19 PM

Just because I don't hold a plumbing license does not mean I'm not qualified to do plumbing. FYI, I've worked for a plumber, an electrical contractor, a roofing and siding contractor, a taper, many gcs and a trim company- 16 years later I'm a GC. I've plumbed many homes here and in NY.I'm no hack. Not to put down the trade but it ain't rocket science.
I am a regular to this site. Can't one professional ask another a simple question. It's a very simple question, I just thought I'd post it because I've never done it and there might be some better way. I was thinking of just putting a 1/4" compression T from the filter and running the 1/4" copper line over the ceiling to the coffee machine. No couplings- one piece. Or should I just put a valve and a filter behind the machine?

novicepro · 08-19-2008, 04:42 PM

killertoiletspider- even if I tried to poison the towns water supply I would bypass the other half of the town cause I'm in the middle. How can I plumb it so I can return to that side without digging up the roads?

KillerToiletSpider · 08-19-2008, 04:56 PM

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killertoiletspider- even if I tried to poison the towns water supply I would bypass the other half of the town cause I'm in the middle. How can I plumb it so I can return to that side without digging up the roads?

You don't understand how grid system water distribution works, and you claim to be qualified to touch any part of it?

If it were me I would install two valves and two filters, according to our code every fixture has to have it's own individual shutoff.

**Double-A** · 08-19-2008, 05:06 PM

Novice, I hate to say it but your lack of a firm grasp on the concepts at work here is showing. Consult your code and understand that you have minimum supply sizes to each fixture along with minimum requirements for service stops, etc. The filter is the lesser of all of the professiona'ls concerns that have replied to you. Doesn't that say something about your general approach to this problem?

novicepro · 08-19-2008, 05:58 PM

Thank you killertoiletspider. I do realize that every fixture has to have it's own shut-off, I knew that ,I was too focused on the damn filter and providing filtered water for their coffee. That's the answer. That's why I asked and problem solve before I touch.
No I don't claim to know how the city distributes the water supply but I know how it works in the house.
Thought I'd ask a question didn't think I'd get sh-t for it.
I didn't disrespect anyone- honest question. Thanks agin

KillerToiletSpider · 08-19-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by novicepro

Thank you killertoiletspider. I do realize that every fixture has to have it's own shut-off, I knew that ,I was too focused on the damn filter and providing filtered water for their coffee. That's the answer. That's why I asked and problem solve before I touch.
No I don't claim to know how the city distributes the water supply but I know how it works in the house.
Thought I'd ask a question didn't think I'd get sh-t for it.
I didn't disrespect anyone- honest question. Thanks agin

I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, but rather to educate you. Once a house is tied into a cities water distribution system it can affect any part of it at any time from a simple lack of understanding. There is a reason the phrase "The Plumber Protects the Health of the Nation" exists, because we can't get a license until we can prove we are qualified to do just that. We recently had an incident near my town where a GC decided to illegally install a mop sink in a restaurant, two weeks after that there was a water main break six blocks from that restaurant and 55 gallons of ammonia based cleanser was siphoned into the cities mains from that mop sink, 10 people had to seek medical treatment because of it, and the GC is facing almost $500,000.00 in fines.

Grumpyplumber · 08-19-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by novicepro

Just because I don't hold a plumbing license does not mean I'm not qualified to do plumbing. FYI, I've worked for a plumber, an electrical contractor, a roofing and siding contractor, a taper, many gcs and a trim company- 16 years later I'm a GC. I've plumbed many homes here and in NY.I'm no hack. Not to put down the trade but it ain't rocket science.
I am a regular to this site. Can't one professional ask another a simple question. It's a very simple question, I just thought I'd post it because I've never done it and there might be some better way. I was thinking of just putting a 1/4" compression T from the filter and running the 1/4" copper line over the ceiling to the coffee machine. No couplings- one piece. Or should I just put a valve and a filter behind the machine?

And your asking plumbers how to do something...for what reason?

Sorry, I understand your frustration, I also understand the three trade rule in Cali.
I also understand there are a number of plumbing shops in your state that are subjected to unfair leverage over that law.

In my state, I can spend $100 and call myself a remodeling contractor, you don't see me in the remodeling forum asking them how to do their work while telling them it isn't rocket science.

neolitic · 08-19-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerToiletSpider

I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, but rather to educate you. Once a house is tied into a cities water distribution system it can affect any part of it at any time from a simple lack of understanding. There is a reason the phrase "The Plumber Protects the Health of the Nation" exists, because we can't get a license until we can prove we are qualified to do just that. We recently had an incident near my town where a GC decided to illegally install a mop sink in a restaurant, two weeks after that there was a water main break six blocks from that restaurant and 55 gallons of ammonia based cleanser was siphoned into the cities mains from that mop sink, 10 people had to seek medical treatment because of it, and the GC is facing almost $500,000.00 in fines.

If you say it happened, okay.
I understand siphoning and the
possibilities that come with it, but
I have to invent a pretty twisted version
of a mop sink to figure that one out.
Can one of you lay that out for me?

Ron The Plumber · 08-19-2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by novicepro

Just because I don't hold a plumbing license does not mean I'm not qualified to do plumbing. I've plumbed many homes here and in NY.I'm no hack. Not to put down the trade but it ain't rocket science.

It's rocket science if you have no knowledge of said subject. If it was not, then why do you ask?

KillerToiletSpider · 08-19-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by neolitic

If you say it happened, okay.
I understand siphoning and the
possibilities that come with it, but
I have to invent a pretty twisted version
of a mop sink to figure that one out.
Can one of you lay that out for me?

A mop sink faucet with a cleanser feeder unit attached to it, with a hose and sprayer for filling the buckets, with no backflow protection. The faucet is always left on so that the hose is live, since it is shut off at the sprayer.

Sometimes it is rocket surgery to realize that a hazard exists, but us plumbers are just a bunch of knuckle draggers.

Grumpyplumber · 08-19-2008, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by neolitic

If you say it happened, okay.
I understand siphoning and the
possibilities that come with it, but
I have to invent a pretty twisted version
of a mop sink to figure that one out.
Can one of you lay that out for me?

I got a call for a bad fire sprinkler installation last year, the local health dept had threatened to shut the company down because water tests showed filthy stagnant water had seeped into the neighboring building.
The only reason it had been tested was due to complaints to the water dept.

It happens, it's real.

neolitic · 08-19-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerToiletSpider

A mop sink faucet with a cleanser feeder unit attached to it, with a hose and sprayer for filling the buckets, with no backflow protection. The faucet is always left on so that the hose is live, since it is shut off at the sprayer.

Sometimes it is rocket surgery to realize that a hazard exists, but us plumbers are just a bunch of knuckle draggers.

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Originally Posted by Grumpyplumber

I got a call for a bad fire sprinkler installation last year, the local health dept had threatened to shut the company down because water tests showed filthy stagnant water had seeped into the neighboring building.
The only reason it had been tested was due to complaints to the water dept.

It happens, it's real.

Don't doubt it can happen or that it's
a real danger.
Just couldn't picture that setup without
the vacuum breaker/backflow device.
Not enough imagination I guess.