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Old 08-27-2017, 11:57 AM   #1
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Drum Trap Replacement


Helping my neighbor solve his blocked tub drain and since I know these homes as well as anybody, I knew what was going on.

75 Year old drum traps, lead lines and tight spaces are so much fun on a Saturday afternoon

Ripped up the flooring and sliced through the subfloor for access...cut the drum trap and lead drain line out back to the CI hub and chiseled out the obstruction.

Picked up a new PVC hub adapter, Gerber drain and overflow assembly, p-trap, fittings, oakum and some speed seel.

This tub never drained so good!
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Old 08-27-2017, 12:03 PM   #2
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Worked out nice if I may say so myself
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Sorry for the flipped pics,,,
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Nice work as always, big pain having the hub facing away from you. A fernco was not a possibility?

Many times my plumber will just cut off the hub and put an armored fernco on it, that way it gives him room to work. Sometimes the space is not there to fit a new trap.
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Another slick job. Well done.

My folks in NE Philly have some of those drum traps, and the place was built in the late 60's. Is that common to get clogged right there? Is there any way to feed (and ruin) a 1/4" auger somehow through that trap, or is it futile?
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Nice work as always, big pain having the hub facing away from you. A fernco was not a possibility?

Many times my plumber will just cut off the hub and put an armored fernco on it, that way it gives him room to work. Sometimes the space is not there to fit a new trap.
Not sure why the pics are still flipped...I tried

I get what you're saying using a mission coupling but I wanted that lead out didn't want to cut the cast as vibration might have affected the lead line over to the sink and the lead toilet bend that were close by. Here's a shot of one of these bathrooms gutted...so much can happen quick if you crack something you didn't mean too.
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Another slick job. Well done.

My folks in NE Philly have some of those drum traps, and the place was built in the late 60's. Is that common to get clogged right there? Is there any way to feed (and ruin) a 1/4" auger somehow through that trap, or is it futile?
Drum traps have a bolt on lid which can sometimes be accessed if they're not corroded shut. They do get clogged as well because the design does not allow for self scouring. Believe it or not, the lead line and drum where clean here...it was blocked at the hub where rust bloom and sediment dammed into a super hard crustacean...like hardened sewer mulch

Of course there was a big blob of hair in front of that. I doubt very much an auger would do the trick as it was even difficult with a chisel getting her clean...
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I could die happy if I never see another piece of oakum in my life. Nice weekend project. I'll settle for the 5 windows I replaced in my house today.
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How did you caulk the pvc into the cast hub? Lead wool? Plastic lead? Let it cool a bit and hope to not deform the pipe?
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How did you caulk the pvc into the cast hub? Lead wool? Plastic lead? Let it cool a bit and hope to not deform the pipe?
Oakum and speed seel...the hub adapter flange and bottom of the bell get smeared with speed seel. Apply twisted oakum around the hub and leave 1/2" for the speed seel to retain it all...so yep, same as it ever was except for the plastic lead.
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Oakum and speed seel...the hub adapter flange and bottom of the bell get smeared with speed seel. Apply twisted oakum around the hub and leave 1/2" for the speed seel to retain it all...so yep, same as it ever was except for the plastic lead.
That's neat, I've seen it done, but never knew what was used.

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How did you caulk the pvc into the cast hub? Lead wool? Plastic lead? Let it cool a bit and hope to not deform the pipe?
I use lead.
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Lol, you gotta love those old houses and buildings, don't you. I haven't had to do an oakum joint in a long time. We used to wind an oakum rope in the base of the hub and seal it with PC4 moistened cement rope. I don't even know if that stuff is used anymore, lol. That speed seal looks like a better idea.
Most of the time now, we just use ferncos, even if we have to cut out the wye branch and a couple of feet of pipe and refit it. Sometimes, it's not that practical with limited space though. Good post though.

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