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Old 09-12-2006, 09:14 PM   #1
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Was reading newest edition of JLC that arrived today, - - about closet flange 'fixes'.

Anyway, - - they were mentioning on a side-bar about the debate between those who caulk the toilet-to-floor connection and those who don't, - - they didn't allow room for any 'other' choices (aside from 'grouting' the connection).

Basically, - - they said the over-all consensus was to 'caulk' said connection (also mentioned it's now required by several codes).

Anyway, - - I've always felt (and still do) the best way is to caulk along just both sides and the front, - - that way, the back (unseen) is still a 'leak indicator' . . .

I can't be the only one that does it this way, - - can I??
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Old 09-12-2006, 09:34 PM   #2
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Was reading newest edition of JLC that arrived today, - - about closet flange 'fixes'.

Anyway, - - they were mentioning on a side-bar about the debate between those who caulk the toilet-to-floor connection and those who don't, - - they didn't allow room for any 'other' choices (aside from 'grouting' the connection).

Basically, - - they said the over-all consensus was to 'caulk' said connection (also mentioned it's now required by several codes).

Anyway, - - I've always felt (and still do) the best way is to caulk along just both sides and the front, - - that way, the back (unseen) is still a 'leak indicator' . . .

I can't be the only one that does it this way, - - can I??
No your not i agree with ya, i leave the back undone.

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I leave the back undone for the simple reason that it's hard to get the caulk gun in there well.

When I caulk covers on weatherproof boxes and other exterior fittings, I generally leave the bottom uncaulked, so that any water that does get in there can drain out. Same idea, I guess.
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I leave the back undone for the simple reason that it's hard to get the caulk gun in there well.

Plastic tubing is ideal for any hard to reach areas, - - if you need to get them.

Also, GE silicone caulk (the kind I always use) now also sells their product in a 'toothpaste-like-tube' variety that comes in real handy for both small areas and small jobs (less waste).
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Ugh.

This is a hot debate among plumbers, too. My feelings are caulk it. There is nothing worse than going into a bathroom that little boys (or men with short range accuracy problems with the old fire hose) use and smelling urine. If it gets under the WC it can smell for days and be impossible to clean out short of pulling the toilet.

I totally agree from a professional standpoint that the back should be left open.

I will however make Tom'r go stand in the corner for using silly cone in this application. We're looking to keep dirt and grime out, not seal the back wall of a tub surround. Use a good latex caulk. Silly cone is just too hard to clean up and clean off. It also shines and the home owner will complain of leaks when there are none.
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I will however make Tom'r go stand in the corner for using silly cone in this application. We're looking to keep dirt and grime out, not seal the back wall of a tub surround. Use a good latex caulk. Silly cone is just too hard to clean up and clean off. It also shines and the home owner will complain of leaks when there are none.

Latex caulk shrinks, cracks, and attracts dirt.

Silicone is flexible, smooth, and lasts much, much longer.

I don't use that latex crap for ANYTHING!!

You're FIRED!!
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Latex caulk shrinks, cracks, and attracts dirt.

Silicone is flexible, smooth, and lasts much, much longer.

I don't use that latex crap for ANYTHING!!

You're FIRED!!
Fine. I've watched you work for a week now. I know everything. I'm gonna go start my own business! Now, one last question before I go... How much per square foot do you charge to install a new toilet?

Yes, latex does get ugly, but it doesn't reflect light back like silly cone. I can't tell you how many times I've been called back on a leaky toilet just to explain that the shine they are seeing if some silly cone that someone else used, not from water.
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Fine. I've watched you work for a week now. I know everything. I'm gonna go start my own business! Now, one last question before I go... How much per square foot do you charge to install a new toilet?
I charge by the round-foot, - - sometimes even oval.

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Yes, latex does get ugly, but it doesn't reflect light back like silly cone. I can't tell you how many times I've been called back on a leaky toilet just to explain that the shine they are seeing if some silly cone that someone else used, not from water.
Sounds like a '$ervice call' to me . . .
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Should be by the linear foot/day
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Personally, I dont caulk and generally its not something you see over here. As far as leaks go, I had to repair a floor last week that had been damaged by a leaking toilet connector, the toilet had been caulked along the sides and front but not the back, but the floor had a slight fall from front to back so the water was pooling underneath the toilet and damaged the floor.
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From a cleanliness point of view .... CAULK!!
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From a cleanliness point of view .... CAULK!!
Aesthetic, too!!
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Code too. Most model codes require fixtures to be sealed to the mounting surface.
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Latex caulk shrinks, cracks, and attracts dirt.

Silicone is flexible, smooth, and lasts much, much longer.

I don't use that latex crap for ANYTHING!!

You're FIRED!!
I caulk and I agree with Tom on this ,,,, Silicone all the way for me as well and generally I like to use clear if I can .....
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I grout if on tile and match it to the existing, seal it. Use polyurethane (3M 4200 fast cure) for everything else.
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I am new to this website but have been watching with interest for several weeks.I may get more involed later,my typing skills are slow.After over 30 years of construction expierience I must say that is the first time I have heard that one.---it must be leaking,the caulk is shining.---one call back maybe.how many call backs did you say?
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I am new to this website but have been watching with interest for several weeks.I may get more involed later,my typing skills are slow.After over 30 years of construction expierience I must say that is the first time I have heard that one.---it must be leaking,the caulk is shining.---one call back maybe.how many call backs did you say?
Too many to count, and for the record, it wasn't my silly cone they called about. Clear silly cone is the worst for it. Looks like water to a dear little blue-hair. "I keep mopping it up and it keeps coming back right away."
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double a says silicone is to hard to work with. I beleive that is his real reason for not wanting to use it. you have accused me of using inferior products when it comes to toilets.Why do you want to set your high priced big name toilets in cheap junk.A good installer can install an inexpensive product that will last longer than a bad installer(that does not have enough time to do it right)can install a big name product. this holds true in any trade.To me it is about craftsmanship before money.Hopefully,their are others out there that agree.
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double a says silicone is to hard to work with. I beleive that is his real reason for not wanting to use it. you have accused me of using inferior products when it comes to toilets.Why do you want to set your high priced big name toilets in cheap junk.A good installer can install an inexpensive product that will last longer than a bad installer(that does not have enough time to do it right)can install a big name product. this holds true in any trade.To me it is about craftsmanship before money.Hopefully,their are others out there that agree.
Bleh. Now I'm cheap and a poor craftsman because I don't use silicone? Plus I accused you of using inferior products? Baloney! I never said that. I pointed out why Lamosa is not as high quality as most WCs made in the US and why I don't recommend them.


I said I don't like Lamosas for the reasons I stated in the other thread and as far as replacement china is concerned, they are disposable toilets. I stand by that. If that hurts your feelings, you're taking the potty talk too personally.

You want one more good reason to use Toto instead of Lamosa? (whips out the 'MericanMade Card) -- Toto's china is made in Morrow, Georgia, by Americans, since 1996. If that makes them more expensive, so be it. I'd rather send an American kid to school than send my money to Mexico.


Now, back to the subject at hand.

My main gripe with silicones is that they are too hard to clean off if the WC is pulled for some reason (because humans are only human after all and drop more down the potty than last nights meatloaf and iced tea, such as a hair brush, toothbrush, wallet, pager, cell phone, ninja turtle, batman, curler, nail file, dentures, toy cars, dolls... I've pulled all of these out of toilets, many that had to be pulled from the floor, taken outside and turned upside down).

The use of silicone is too permanent a solution in this situation. If I install the WC, I want to know that I can pull and reset it and seal the foot of the bowl to the floor just as well the second time as the first. That entails cleaning up the old sealant. Silicone is hard to clean off. Uncured (fresh) silicone does not stick to cured silicone. There is no effective solvent that will remove silicone that will not damage some floor finishes.

Why would I use silicone to seal down a toilet when a good 50 year siliconized latex caulk with a mildewcide in it is more expensive? I wouldn't. I use the more expensive siliconized latex with the 50 year warranty that I can remove from the floor and reseal the potty without any of the bother of silicone.

How did I come to this strange and awful place in which I stand all alone, decrying the use of silicone sealants for toilets? Experience. Years and years of experience pulling and resetting potties. Does this make me a better person? No. Does it make me right? No. It makes me different.

And, for what its worth, I use silicone for tubs, showers and lavs. But not for potties.
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How did I come to this strange and awful place in which I stand all alone, decrying the use of silicone sealants for toilets?

Everyone's allowed to be wrong once.

Even twice, in some instances, - - isn't that the second time you stated your cause??

Personally, - - when (and if) necessary, - - I remove silicone with the same brand of razor blade that I remove any other caulk with.

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