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jmic

So Day you're starting to see a glimse of light at the end of the tunnel. Nice job.

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rino1494

Hey Day, is the ethanol plant job ??

How come there are 2 lines running parrallel ?

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tgeb

Come on Rino....Hot is on the left, Cold is on the right!

Nice looking work, Day.

How long before you get to move back home?

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denick

Nice looking work day!

Did you break all the teeth off your bucket in hard packed "SAND"?

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dayexco

this ethanol plant is 13 miles from any major town, the 8" line we've got the tee/valves in, is going to be part of the fire protection loop system onsite.....the parallel pipe to the right is a 12" line that comes from a rural water system to fill a 2 million gallon resivoir....how do you spell that word? and then a high service pump feeds back to the line you see us working on....what's not visible there, is a pvc line to the right of the 12", a 2" potable water line that feeds the bathrooms, offices, etc.

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dayexco

thanks for the compliment joe, hopefully...i have about 3 wks left here taking in count the cleanup/testing/punchlists...etc etc...we've got to the point where we fab everything on top of the ground now, and swing it into the hole as a component....much cleaner, easier.

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dayexco

actually nick, that's clay....and very easy digging, recompacting clay i might add! hensley and esco would go broke if they depended on me as a customer, we just weld a chunk of cutting edge on the teeth, typically get a season out of it.

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Justbuilding

Not trying to pick any fights, but where is the shoring? Maybe I am not looking at the pic correctly, I assume the guys are more then 3 feet tall and the trench is over their heads, no escape ladder, in the picture anyway. In WA and OR, the max depth is 4 and 5 ft respectively according to OHSA, besides the legal side, did we stop caring about our workers safety?
I admit the job looks nice, just what jumped out at me.

rbsremodeling

I clearly see the bucket of the excavator right next to the guys. If hole collapses you just dig them out

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neolitic

Clay compacted by 1-2 mile thick glacier ice
is a bit more stable than sand.

Different parts of the world are....
different.

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I made a mistake when I said sandy, the reason I edited it out was I saw the clay when I reread the posts. My bad.
However, when I read OHSA guidelines for selecting protective systems, and OHSA soil classifications,I see that clay is a type A soil, which requires benching and/ or shoring. But when it has been previously disturbed, like installing the other pipe, it drops to type B.
I realize that requirements are also determined by the "competent person", I also know that a person can be suffocated in less then 2 minutes when buried in soil. I don't care how fast you dig, you probably can't get them out that quickly, and their head doesn't have to be buried to suffocate them.
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firemike

I thought if under a certain depth in a soil classifacation if the sides are cut back at an angle something like 1/2 to 1 ratio shoring wasn't required. I think you are right about the ladder requirement though. Here in Michigan I think it is over 4 feet deep you have to have a ladder or other means of egree within 25 feet or something. Days cuts look rather wide with a good bevel.

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diggerdude

you can have a 4 foot bank at bottom and slope the rest 45 degrees.

Justbuilding

Mike,
You are correct about the option to slope, but it is 1-1/2 horizontal for every 1 vertical. I can't link the OHSA page but it calls for a 34 degree max slope unless using guidelines in the appendices. Which I can't find online.
Which Day may have done, and I can't tell from the picture.

If the guys are 6 ft tall and the bank is 3 feet above their heads, I think the start of the slope should be 12 ft away from them.

neolitic

If that's like our clay, I'll go work
with Day any time!
(If he wanted an old slow broken down ditchman.)
BTW been buried up to the shoulders
in sand before, and I'll vouch it
ain't easy to breath.

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Justbuilding

I'm glad you were ok. How long did it take to get you out?

Did you see the show where the excavators down in FL were digging in SAND around/ under a rock the size of a truck with water running in the ditch because of rain, and it caved on them? Killed one and almost killed the other. Took the EMT's something like 10 hours to get the guy out because the sides kept collapsing.

neolitic

I was lucky, got out quick
thanks to the best hoe operator
I ever knew..Rufus Collins, bless
his crew cut head!
He was backed off to full reach
to minimize caving, I talked to a
laborer, who gave hand signals to
the hoe.
Slid the back of the bucket
down my shirt, felt him hit
my belt buckle, he twitched it
and just scrapped the metal on
the front of the buckle.
Rufus pulled back on the bucket,
I grabbed the tow hook, and he
snagged me out of there in
one quick move.

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rino1494

That bank is sloped enough on the left side to not need shoring. The right side is iffy, but Day, like many others here, wouldn't allow his men to enter a trench that he didn't feel was safe.

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Justbuilding

I didn't mean to come across as a criticism of Day and Co. The pic was titled "Another day at the office" and what jumped out at me was the safety. I only saw a picture that most likely didn't show all the conditions.
I don't think anyone would purposefully send someone else into harms way at work. But over 1200 people died on construction jobs in the US last year and I'm sure that everyone of them thought they were working in a safe environment right upto the last moment. There were over 100 fatalities in excavation work.

I expect to be challenged when I become complacent at work, either in performance, knowledge, or safety. I've been on jobsites where people have been killed, it will change your life, hopefully for the better.
Let's not get complacent about safety, because every day is not just another day, conditions and people change.