Celtic

...you must have drank too much of the Kool-Aid .22

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nap

Of course not. it was a bit of information that I know to be true simply to stress my point that you could know who and where grizl is.


Like I said, privacy is only in your mind. If somebody wants to find you, they can.

Ya, do you?

I have already explained to you, I have seen a person "found" who thought he was anonymous. It is kind of creepy actually. I also have had an internet forum owner show me how he knew where his posters were from. It was a simple program that told him what city I was posting from. There is a lot of info available to a person that wants it. Don;t underestimate the possibility that somebody knows where you or I am right now.



I am that guy. I do not drink and I can assure you my IQ is substantially above average. I was merely telling you how I saw your post.



Yes you are.

See? Right here you are arguing that very point.

and the thugs are known entities. You aren't. How do I know you are not the guy in the blue buick century behind me. I would know what the thugs look like. You are a faceless threat.

well, if you read the paper, you will see that the secret service and the fbi are taking the threats they find on the internet threatening our next president very seriously. Anybody that blows off suspicion based on your reasoning may be making a poor decision.

22rifle

I did not threaten anyone. Period.

Anyone who thinks what I wrote constitutes a threat is a paranoid freak and not worthy of further response.

One more time for emphasis. I did not threaten anyone.

Your whole premise is based on the erroneous assumption that my first post constituted a threat. That is completely false and asinine.

Why do I detect a hint of the union thug intimidation tactics coming from you? Let's see. I express an opinion and you go on and on about how I am not hidden, how I can be found, how I can be exposed, and now you start making a racket about how seriously internet threats are taken. Your actions have too much of a union thug flavor for me to take your already weak condemnation of those thugs very serious.

I have nothing but contempt for any person who thinks my first post in this thread was more intimidating than a bunch of union thugs getting into the OP's face in real life. I can't respect a person like that. They are either too stupid or too brainwashed to engage in logical, rational thinking. You simply cannot reason with a person like that using logic.

I don't do too well in confrontations with people like that so this is my last post to you even though I expect a reply full of BS back from you.

Have a nice day.

PS. Do not make the mistake of extrapolating my very narrow focus in the recent discussions about unions to mean I am bashing everything about unions. The unions have some very good things about them. Training for one. I don't bash unions in general. Only some specific aspects of some of them. But to a union Kool-Aid drinker, if you point out something bad with the union you are the enemy and must be crushed. Go figure.

mickeyco

Unions blow.






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nap

. If you think so, be sure you don't accept that OT pay over 40. Put in about 108 hours next week. Cancel your health insurance. Don;t bother with safety glasses and any other safety equipment.

the unions have been a major proponant of every one of those items and
many many more. If you have such disdain for the unions, then do not partake of the benefits brought forth because of the unions.

Fair enough?


My shrink said I wasn't paranoid.

Sorry about the hijack grizl; I'm done pissing around with these guys and apologize for it being on this thread. I take your situation very serioulsy and I am sure your situation is giving you great cause for concern and frustration and here I am adding to the crap on your thread.

My apologies and best of luck to you, whatever you decide to do. I'll stick to the topic from here on out.

grizl

Yeah I didn't really read all the filler in this thread. I appreciate the genuine statements. To Rifle 22. Don't worry about it. It's all good. A man needs to be informed regardless of his beliefs. I am not intimated by anyone at this point.

JMJ

I was a union carpenter who started a union commercial construction company a few years back. The reason i signed a contract with the union was for a few reasons.
1. I believe a man or woman should make a middle wage income to support his/her family. My wife stays home to raise our kids. While that sometimes makes it tight on our budget it is worth it for us. I wanted the same for my employees.
2. I wanted my employees to have decent health care coverage, to be able to retire for a few years before they die. Have a savings account that allowed them to take their family on vacation.
3. If i land a job that requires more manpower than i currently have employed, i can make a phone call to get the amount of manpower i need, without putting an ad in the paper and hiring 15 guys hoping 2 work out.

Most of the garbage i hear about the unions seem to come from slackers who dont want to work hard for their wages. I compete everyday with so called contractors who pay with 1099's. I pay unemployment, workers comp., taxes, benefits, insurance, etc... My men have to be highly skilled and motivated to stay working. Love or hate the union, but they set the standard of living that most in the trades are destroying. Keep wrecking the unions and we'll all be working for $10.00 an hour.

Aggie67

Better keep my thoughts to my self.

JTMcC

My little company is signatory with two unions, because I want to be. I can agree with just about everything JMJ had to say.
I'll add this:
Get a copy of the contract and read and understand it before making your decision. Because of jourisdictional lines, you can lose some flexibility.

In our work we gain a huge advantage in training available, Journeymen can, and are encouraged to, take upgrade classes when they have time (in a lot of cases they are required to complete a certain amount of journeyman upgade training hours before they get raises in the new contracts). Training classes cover everything from OSHA 10 to rigging to forklift operation, and on and on it goes. If we decide to look into work that we don't currently do, say medical gas piping, I can get experienced hands in that field plus get guys who may already be working for us into med gas classes.
Another advantage is I can get a number of hands quickly, and when the jobs over they are on to another one for another contractor, I don't have to worry about keeping people busy year round.
It makes health insurance a lot easier to provide, It's their policy, all I do is pay in for the hours my guys work.

People use the term "union" as if it's one entity. There are poorly run unions in this country, and there are solid well run ones. I'm signatory with two construction unions that are both in high production fields, where the hands stake their claim on really gettin it, that makes it easy for me. Other unions may well differ, you need to look at each case individually in my opinion.


Like everything else, understand the pluss' & the minuss' before putting your name to the contract.

JTMcC.

TBFGhost

People hate unions because of what they have become...yes, thank you for good things that have come around b/c of unions but at the same time it does not give you a right to harass other job sites b/c they are not union. Maybe it is just around me, but the locals around here are filled with thiefs, drugs and drunks...

Unions need to start policing themself...the bad ones anyway...

Celtic

"around you" ?

The IBEW [with 6 construction locals in NJ], for example, has instituted mandatory annual drug testing with a 25% annual random sampling...the people that are tested include everyone from Business Agents to owners to apprentices.
Of course the "system" is not perfect ~ there will always be that select group who always try and get away "things".

IBEW Implements Drug Testing For Officers, Reps, Management Staff

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JTMcC

The unions we deal with, an employee can expect a drug test when they hire out to the contractor, plus randoms, and any time they have an injury. A lot of locals have an ongoing program that test's their people, so the contractor doesn't have to.
I'll add that we don't work in residential , and rarely in light commercial but mainly in industrial type work where everyone pretty much demands that your workforce be drug tested.

JTMcC.

JMJ

Drug and Alcohol has almost become a non issue anymore. With the drug testing and safety classes that have been implemented in the last 5 years, its generally not worth it for a journeyman carpenter to risk a 40-50 thousand a year job. If anyone gets hurt on the job, its mandatory for a drug test. If they fail, they lose their job with no workers comp to back them up. I do not get involved with what my employees do on their on time, but they are well aware of the risks of a positive drug test.

TBFGhost

Well good then I am glad they started drug testing...

Celtic

This action will probably filter down through all the mechanical trades as well.

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TBFGhost

Hey, if the union wants to clean up their act, great, go for it....and i am glad to see it, but as it stands with me at this moment, to locals around me have some work to do...

Celtic

In any large scale operation - union, non-union; building trades, corporate world, gov't, etc - you will find a certain percentage are thieves, drunks, drugs ~ you name it, they got it.

To simply say "It's a union problem" is not accurate....it's simply a large convenient target.

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TBFGhost

....agreed, except the local unions seem to have a much high percentage of theives and druggies....

Celtic

..and you know the percentage just how?
Are you in one of these particular locals?

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JMJ

That might be the most ridiculous thing i've seen. Your bias is clouding your brain man. I can't even count the number of jobs that we've been on, where the 1099 drywall crew walks on the job in the morning smelling of weed. Then at break, then at lunch. Druggies are druggies period. Only difference is that there is no consequence for the 1099 crew.