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Old 05-31-2009, 02:03 AM   #1
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Wink Foundation Underpinning - How To?

I am looking for advice on underpinning a foundation to lower the foundation about 15-18" to obtain a higher ceiling height. It is hard to find documented information on this and some of the people I have talked to have conflicting methods.

The house is located in the Chicago area and was built around 1930, the foundation is concrete 9-10" thick and about 40" high. The footing is about 9x18, this is a rough guess though.

1) It seems you need to work in sections as you excavate and pour a new footing under the existing footing one section at a time. What is the width of each new section?

2) If you are working on multiple sections at a time what is the distance of fully supported foundation, new and old, needed between sections that are being worked on?

3) Is rebar needed? Is so what is the configuration?

4) When you excavate under the existing footing, if you do not disturb the earth below do you need to compact or consolidate the earth at all? If you do disturb it a little, what is the best way to compact the earth in this small space?

5) The concrete form would seem to be earth on 3 sides and a wood form on the front and clean the earth off of the bottom of the existing footing.

6) It seems you can not pour the concrete up to the existing footing to ensure 100% filling of the new footing space. So are you pouring the new footing 1-2" low and then the next day taking non-shrinking grout and packing it in the 1-2" gap?

7) Would the concrete be a typical concrete mix? What would the grout mix be?

8) After pouring the first group of new footing sections how many days should you wait to excavate the next sections which would be right next to the sections just completed?

9) When complete the new floor slab would abut the new footing, rather than sit on top of the footing. Any concerns?

10) Are there any other concerns for a project like this?

I would greatly appreciate any advice on this.

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Old 05-31-2009, 08:01 AM   #2
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Wow that is some job. Lowering the floor to make more head room...hmmmm.
I have not seen this done in all the years i've been around construction. It sounds challenging.
Is it going to be worth it when its all done? It sounds costly.
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Old 05-31-2009, 08:14 AM   #3
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Okay, you understand the basics...

Hire an engineer to review the thing, most items you need answers to require structural input, beside the building department is going to want his calcs as well before they issue you a permit.
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Old 05-31-2009, 08:18 AM   #4
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I am looking for advice on underpinning a foundation ..........
10) Are there any other concerns for a project like this?
............
Knowing what you are doing!
You are in Chicago?
I'll bet you have to
get an engineer to design this.
Mean while....

http://www.contractortalk.com/f62/un...n+Underpinning
http://www.contractortalk.com/f62/de...t+underpinning
http://www.contractortalk.com/f62/un...t=underpinning
http://www.contractortalk.com/f62/un...n+Underpinning

There is a start.
The search function up above
is very useful.
And remember,
Google is your friend.
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:08 AM   #5
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The posts Neo listed probably have all the info you need to get an idea what the procedures are.

You really do need an engineer to advise you on the specifics, existing soil conditions, load from the building, existing foundation condition all these will play some part in doing the job safely and with longevity of the foundation.

It can get quite expensive. The last one we priced out the owners declined.
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All your questions will be answered by a engineer.

Been there done that and followed the specs.
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It doesn't matter how much reading you do on this, you need to hire an engineer to analyze soil tests, current foundations and come up with a scientifically sound resolution methods.
At the end you will have plans in hands and will be able to figure out the feasability of lowering these foundations (cost factors).
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hey if your still wondering abot that underpinning, i have done four to date....from 18 inches to three feet. and im in chicago as well. Shoot me an e-mail im not on here often. vision_concrete@yahoo.com
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Yes rebar is definitely needed for underpinning. It is a type of section enlargement technique as done in column.
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